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the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
The Wright brothers were just common high school dropouts, haha, that's funny. No they weren't geniuses solving quadratic equations and establishing scientific methods for technological development universally adapted worldwide. LOL.



The modern environmental movement was jumpstarted by NASA astronauts and this image. The first time man saw the whole Earth, and realized how fragile our ecosystem is. Of course we can't change natural processes occuring over thousands of years but it's laughable to say it's "arrogant that we could change nature". The worlds nuclear arsenal could completely change the biosphere of the Earth in matter of minutes.

It's simply a question of prevention vs. cure. We used to dump industrial pollutants in rivers. Sure it was cheap for those businesses, but everyone else paid the price and the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place (superfund sites anyone?). It's much cheaper to install smokestack scrubbers and take the CO2 out of coal power plants than to build levees around every city in the world.

But I'm sure nothing I say will convince those tilting at windmills what this is really all about.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
You still do not get it LARRY.

The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.

It is not working LARRY.


Your intelligence disallows you from even contemplating any of that.




GOD is a motivator to over 80+ % of the common man globally. Until you all WHITE COATS accept that and put it into this equation, your ANTI-GOD stand will be a major part of the demise of your agenda.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place

Absolutely, 100% correct.

I just listened to Pale Blue Dot (Sagan) on my recent trip. Planetary science is awesome.

The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.

Jesus Fuking Christ... we are surrounded by fuking morans... who want us to pander to fuking morans. Here's an idea: why not spend the effort EDUCATING them instead?



Fuking idiots don't want to BELIEVE the truth, so we better change it to fit what they would prefer to BELIEVE.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Chief maybe you should go back to drinking. At least then you would have an excuse for being an overbearing, dumb as#@&%e.

You'd also have an excuse for growing moobs.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
PHDBOY:
Jesus Fuking Christ... we are surrounded by fuking morans... who want us to pander to fuking morans. Here's an idea: why not spend the effort EDUCATING them instead?

There you have it.

That is precisely why you all are losing.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Sorry Bubba, but you seriously need to get off that arrogant ego trip soap box that you are on.

Then...


More importantly, the common man can see through political ideological bullshet masked as science that supposedly is going to assist them, as well.


Talk about an arrogant ego trip soap box! The Chief, you WIN!


@Werner, I never said science solves all our problems. But it does solve some of our more difficult ones. (Perhaps only to create other, more difficult problems ;-).


And OK Ron, a "common" man did build the first airplane. How far did it fly? You think you'd get an international jet flight without scientists?

Like I said above, sense is not the strong suit of some people, and the sensless seem to gather here in droves.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
KMAN:

You still do not get it nor will you ever.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
I get that you're a jackass, The Chief.

And you prove it with every post you make.

But lo, "proof" is not something you easily grasp, so I'll give you a hall pass on this one.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
That is precisely why you all are losing.

Humanity is losing because fukheads like you refuse to pull your heads out of your asses and LEARN the TRUTH. You'd rather cling desperately to the BELIEF that some make believe father figure in the sky will save you from your own wasteful, ignorant, selfish, short-sighted, rampant consumption and destruction of natural resources.

I'd say "we" are doing pretty good, considering Texas House Bill 788, which requires businesses to regulate green house gasses, was recently passed.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/editforum.php?did=Mz85Oz8gJyUnJQ,,&dtid=ODo5OT4hJCcmIA,,
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
PHDBOY
Humanity is losing because fukheads like you refuse to pull your heads out of your asses and LEARN the TRUTH. You'd rather cling desperately to the BELIEF that some make believe father figure in the sky will save you from your own wasteful, ignorant, selfish, short-sighted, rampant consumption and destruction of natural resources.

You mean like these billions of "fukheads" that you all need to convince? Got it.:



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
No, those aren't necessarily fukheads. Those individuals are part of humanity, struggling to survive... who will struggle even more with the rapid change in global climate caused by industrial and developing nations pouring green house gasses into the atmosphere, pollution into the water, etc.

The fukheads I'm talking about are idiots with little or no understanding of how the physical world works (science) who stand in the way of reasonable attempts to limit green house gas emissions and environmental pollution. Fukheads like you.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
PHDBOY:
The fukheads I'm talking about are idiots with little or no understanding of how the physical world works (science) who stand in the way of reasonable attempts to limit green house gas emissions and environmental pollution.

I get it. The majority of humanity that is actually doing the C02 emitting get a pass.

OK.

How do you plan on selling this agenda that has no viable solution to them billions that need the FF in order to survive as you state??

You and your lot have nothing to offer them all other than your plea to cease using any more FF's.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
The Chief, You still do not get it nor will you ever.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
I get it. The majority of humanity that is actually doing the C02 emitting get a pass.

Wow, you really are a complete fuking idiot. So far beyond stupid I would feel sorry for you if you weren't such a fukhead.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
“The greatest threat to the alleviation of the structural poverty of the Third World is the continuing campaign by western governments, egged on by some climate scientists and green groups, to curb greenhouse gas emissions, primarily the CO2 from burning fossil fuels. To put a limit on the use of fossil fuels without adequate economically viable alternatives is to condemn the Third World to perpetual structural poverty.”
Deepak Lal, Professor Emeritus of International Development Studies at UCLA and Professor Emeritus of Political Economy at University College London, in his new book, Poverty and Progress: Realities and Myths About Global Poverty.


More like this PHDBOY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions


CHINA has us beat by 2MILLION TONS.


They are the ones you need to convince.

China (ex.Macau, Hong Kong) 7,031,916
United States 5,461,014

Oh, and the EU, who just recently dropped any thought of a Carbon Taxation, well, they aint that far behind us.

European Union (27) 4,177,817

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.

The Chief is back to Step #3...



Here we go again. You can give hard science, and the deniers counter with bad science. You give an article that explains it in layman's terms, and you get "Rolling Stone as a creditable source?"

No matter how you present it, the walls are up and no ideas or thoughts can get in.

And then you have the nerve to call me arrogant! Holy molly.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
... like teaching a pig to sing...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
The first time man saw the whole Earth, and realized how fragile our ecosystem is.


This is intuitive. What happens then?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Good point The Chief. It takes energy to live at the "standard of living" we now have in many "first world" countries.


The problem is that our high living standard is killing us (and the other lifeforms on the planet).
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
And Third World nations.

Southwest Asia as well as India.

You still have no viable alternatives.

The Chinese do not give a fk. They are implementing a new Coal Fired Energy Plant daily.

What do you have to change their minds..... nothing!

How much Chinese produced climbing gear do you have in your inventory KMAN??

Let's start with BD products???
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