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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 09:42am PT
Then depart accordingly BOBYINCER.

Simply.


BTW, your sub to the Daily Kos is coming up as well...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 18, 2013 - 09:43am PT
No NASA sites,or NOAA.

"Independent Interpretation "

This is what i am talking about.

Show me the 1998 NOAA record.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Yur really an idiot WELBER.


Not one of NASA's AQUA SAT SPECIFIC Monthly data read outs indicates any one individuals name to it.

"Independent Interpretation "

It is an instrument utilized by a slew of different programs in evaluating GCC and the climate data in general.




PSSSSSSSSSSST.... Spencer never stated he denies GCC is occurring. NEVER!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 18, 2013 - 09:51am PT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment

Three dozen ,out of how many?

You called me a name ,on the internet. yawn.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 09:55am PT
Ah, where did you get "Three dozen" ?

That WIKI page states NOTHING of sort.


You been hanging around FRONTALOBOTME and learning how to producing bullshet propaganda again.


I think it's time you go snort some of that TRIFLO you use on your rigs. Might bring you back to earth.



BTW: WIKI says nothing so therefore they do not exist.... got it.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 18, 2013 - 10:01am PT
I do not know why the link failed.god damn confusers.

Any way ,none of their OPINIONS are attached to official NASA,NOAA websites,lets hear your reason.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 18, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Well just keep deferring to the experts Bruce. If it's right for you so be it. I can't see myself replacing reality with your interpretation anytime soon.


I wouldn't expect you to take my interpretation any more than I would advise taking yours. We have discussed this before and as I recall, it was one of those subjects that made you uncomfortable enough to change the subject. Perhaps you are more willing now? After all you brought it up.

As I implied, I think you have some gumption suggesting to a bunch of middle aged climbers that you have something we don't - a more sophisticated grasp of the subtle implications of self reliance. As I told you before, I may know sweet fuk all about climate science through my professional applications of weather forecasting, but I sure know a thing or two about self reliance - and its limitations and the not so subtle implications of overstepping your abilities. I told you before, you show all the signs of level one disease. To refresh, that is the known effect of assuming a greater understanding and ability than your level of training prepares you for.

Among the worst people you can go in the mountains with in winter are those who have just completed an avalanche course. Not all of course but an alarming percentage non the less. It has nothing to do with their intent but everything to do with their newly discovered garden path. The same can be said for meteorologists and climatology. These behaviors are demonstrable and documented. It is a manifestation of the Dunning - Kruger effect and we are all susceptible to its subtle implications because we are all to varying degrees incompetent in fields outside of our experience and professional expertise.

I know this because I have personally experienced it and witnessed it, sometimes with fatalities. So don't lecture me about the subtle implications of self reliance unless you are willing to demonstrate the extent of your sophistication.

There are two cures for this disease. One is that through observation and testing in low risk situations a person will discover that their assumptions and preconceptions are perhaps a little shakier than previously imagined. This takes time, humility and no small amount of good luck.

The other is that your assumptions are tested catastrophically in a high risk situation that through hubris and incompetence you have inserted yourself and your unsuspecting followers. If you survive this is your best and last chance to reevaluate and consider what you missed. This also takes no small amount of humility but your lucky streak is over. Unless you actually like playing russian roulete.


Herman- I liked that guy. he at least knew how to mass produce pizza versus the no nothing disorganizer we yanks have.

Yes he seems like a hell of a guy and I have no doubt he would have made a pizza out of Syria by now. Anybody who watched that video would have watched the incompetent attempt the impossible - competency.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 10:14am PT
DUDE EWLBER,

Neither are any of the other individuals directly involved with the Aqua Program.


Claire Parkinson
Lazaros Oreopoulos
William Guit
Norman Loeb
Joao Teixeira
Akira Shibata
Roy Spencer
Michael King
Steve Graham
Steve Platnick
Vince Salomonson
Bruce Wielicki
Mous Chahine

http://aqua.nasa.gov/about/team_spencer.php


Dr. Spencer has served as Pricipal Investigator on the Global Precipitation Studies with Nimbus-7 and DMSP SSM/I, and the Advanced Microwave Precipitation Radiometer High Altitude Studies of Precipitation Systems. He has been a member of several science teams: the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) Space Station Accommodations Analysis Study Team, Science Steering Group for TRMM, TOVS Pathfinder Working Group, NASA Headquarters Earth Science and Applications Advisory Subcommittee, and two National Research Council study panels.
http://aqua.nasa.gov/about/team_spencer.php
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 18, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Some reason.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 18, 2013 - 10:52am PT
I think I just figured out what Rick is hinting at and in retrospect it is not surprising. What Rick finds so seductive about self reliance is the principle or really the mythology. The reality of it is of secondary importance. It is the idea that creates the motivation, and it is the motivation that to him that is important.

The idea of course is the rugged individual, beholden and reliant on no one other than his own John Galt powers of projection. Seductive indeed and of course infused with truth. Until you test it against reality, then like all moral principles, you discover that it cannot work in isolation from a host of other principles and realities. Thats the thing Rick. the principle has value when it passes the test.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Chief, is that list supposed to be all 'contrarian' scientists?

They are key personnel in the Aqua Program, so what?

I suspect The Chief has mild cognitive issues.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Spencer's worked for Nasa as long as just about anyone there.

Appeal to Authority arguments make no sense in promoting the 3%, you've already rejected research by the 97% who include many scientists with far stronger records than Dr. Roy.

But let's show some self-reliance. You think Spencer's research has been solid? Pick one of his articles, any one, and read it yourself. Then post here about why you personally found it convincing.

One possibility is the most recent paper he lists on his website, published 2 years ago in Remote Sensing. You can download the full paper for free:
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603

Give it a shot, and stop posing.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Chiloe
97% who include many scientists with far stronger records than Dr. Roy.

AR5 indicates far different Larry. So much for the "Consensus" huh??

1. CLIMATE MODELS..... FAIL
2. HIATUS & CO2 correlation..... FAIL
3. IPCC and etal Temp projections including YOURS.... FAIL


Spencer and Christy called it years ago. You al "debunked" their work then and deduced their credibility as "junk science".
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Temps flat

Ice Building

Polar bears partying

Global temps DOWN on average

No ICE out in 2013

Models indeed failing

It must be the collective brain power alone that has thwarted the CO2 effects..
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:49am PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Sorry MONO, but the above is now proven to be BULLSHET.... AR5 SAYS SO!

Ocean Temps are NO WHERE near them numbers.



INTERESTING how you no longer are posting any IPCC Climate Models and Projections.

Ha!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Yer knott very bright, arya chief?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Very DARK actually.



So is the AR5.


Bigass storm is brewing along with it. Manmade storm of all things.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:57am PT
LOL, Chief, enjoy fantasy land while you can.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 18, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Theres a NEW CC org on the block! Known as the Ei-Ei-O...
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