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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
EDH
Nature's a bitch that way...

Nature is and will always be premiere in this Universe. Regardless what science dictates or mandates as to what may be the truth.

Putting that in the forefront of your thinking process may assist you all in your plight in selling your agenda.

You nor any other human will ever control let alone master nature. Never.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
You nor any other human will ever control let alone master nature. Never.

What do you call flying an airplane like those high school clods the wright brothers did?

For that matter how about my mastery of walking when I was an infant? Maybe thats not what you mean by mastery of nature but for all practical purposes it is how we relate to nature. So long as we don't some how wreck the air, I'm glad the Wright bros figured out flying.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
It is quite easy to mess with nature. You can't stop the world from turning, but you can pollute, overgraze, you name it, and have effects.

DDT nearly wiped out the raptors. To this day, lead shot is bad for California Condors.

It is easy to mess with nature, and 7 billion people do have an effect. Have you ever heard an astronaut describe the brown haze over many cities?

I remember my first trip to L.A. I was 16 and taking classes at Occidental College. The smog was unreal, and flying in I couldn't believe the miles of concrete we flew over on the way to the airport.

It reminded me of a line from The Big Sky:

"I wouldn't want to live in no anthill."
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
OK Bruce I read this one.

But again you really are a nut case,

"Flying an airplane masters nature."

You need serious help.

But there is none for people like you ......

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
ive picked up i dont know how many folks,, in airplanes,, that hit the ground rather hard. Nature is never conquered. At best we try to get along with her.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
EDH:
My "agenda" is to get the best science to the policy makers

Like this....






EDH:
what I understand can be informative, and useful for helping us understand the consequences of our actions

And you WHITE COATS have a tract record of doing so AFTER THE FACT. Far too many times too late.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
It was the common man that invented workable airplanes..

Do you think scientists aren't common?

Do you think uneducated people who invent flying machines are common?

Are you really as stupid as you come off?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Curious, I looked into my code to figure out why Ed and I reached slightly different results regarding leap years. My code was skipping Feb 29, whereas the PIOMAS website says to skip the last day of the year.

For leap years this means that no integration is performed for the last day of the year.

But (back when I wrote the code) the PIOMAS team was advising something different, as they note on the same page:

(Note: previously we incorrectly stated that all Februaries have 28 days)

To go with the times, I've revised the code henceforth to skip December 31 in leap years, instead of February 29.

Incidentally, Rick made a big fuss about where these PIOMAS data come from. They are found by following links labeled DATA at the top of the PIOMAS home page that he linked to, and copied and pasted from.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
The Wright brothers were just common high school dropouts, haha, that's funny. No they weren't geniuses solving quadratic equations and establishing scientific methods for technological development universally adapted worldwide. LOL.



The modern environmental movement was jumpstarted by NASA astronauts and this image. The first time man saw the whole Earth, and realized how fragile our ecosystem is. Of course we can't change natural processes occuring over thousands of years but it's laughable to say it's "arrogant that we could change nature". The worlds nuclear arsenal could completely change the biosphere of the Earth in matter of minutes.

It's simply a question of prevention vs. cure. We used to dump industrial pollutants in rivers. Sure it was cheap for those businesses, but everyone else paid the price and the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place (superfund sites anyone?). It's much cheaper to install smokestack scrubbers and take the CO2 out of coal power plants than to build levees around every city in the world.

But I'm sure nothing I say will convince those tilting at windmills what this is really all about.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
You still do not get it LARRY.

The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.

It is not working LARRY.


Your intelligence disallows you from even contemplating any of that.




GOD is a motivator to over 80+ % of the common man globally. Until you all WHITE COATS accept that and put it into this equation, your ANTI-GOD stand will be a major part of the demise of your agenda.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
the cost of cleanup is far more than just disposing of things correctly in the first place

Absolutely, 100% correct.

I just listened to Pale Blue Dot (Sagan) on my recent trip. Planetary science is awesome.

The point is not whether you are right or wrong. It is how you are all delivering it.

Jesus Fuking Christ... we are surrounded by fuking morans... who want us to pander to fuking morans. Here's an idea: why not spend the effort EDUCATING them instead?



Fuking idiots don't want to BELIEVE the truth, so we better change it to fit what they would prefer to BELIEVE.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Chief maybe you should go back to drinking. At least then you would have an excuse for being an overbearing, dumb as#@&%e.

You'd also have an excuse for growing moobs.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
PHDBOY:
Jesus Fuking Christ... we are surrounded by fuking morans... who want us to pander to fuking morans. Here's an idea: why not spend the effort EDUCATING them instead?

There you have it.

That is precisely why you all are losing.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Sorry Bubba, but you seriously need to get off that arrogant ego trip soap box that you are on.

Then...


More importantly, the common man can see through political ideological bullshet masked as science that supposedly is going to assist them, as well.


Talk about an arrogant ego trip soap box! The Chief, you WIN!


@Werner, I never said science solves all our problems. But it does solve some of our more difficult ones. (Perhaps only to create other, more difficult problems ;-).


And OK Ron, a "common" man did build the first airplane. How far did it fly? You think you'd get an international jet flight without scientists?

Like I said above, sense is not the strong suit of some people, and the sensless seem to gather here in droves.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
KMAN:

You still do not get it nor will you ever.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
I get that you're a jackass, The Chief.

And you prove it with every post you make.

But lo, "proof" is not something you easily grasp, so I'll give you a hall pass on this one.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
That is precisely why you all are losing.

Humanity is losing because fukheads like you refuse to pull your heads out of your asses and LEARN the TRUTH. You'd rather cling desperately to the BELIEF that some make believe father figure in the sky will save you from your own wasteful, ignorant, selfish, short-sighted, rampant consumption and destruction of natural resources.

I'd say "we" are doing pretty good, considering Texas House Bill 788, which requires businesses to regulate green house gasses, was recently passed.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/editforum.php?did=Mz85Oz8gJyUnJQ,,&dtid=ODo5OT4hJCcmIA,,
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
PHDBOY
Humanity is losing because fukheads like you refuse to pull your heads out of your asses and LEARN the TRUTH. You'd rather cling desperately to the BELIEF that some make believe father figure in the sky will save you from your own wasteful, ignorant, selfish, short-sighted, rampant consumption and destruction of natural resources.

You mean like these billions of "fukheads" that you all need to convince? Got it.:



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 10, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
No, those aren't necessarily fukheads. Those individuals are part of humanity, struggling to survive... who will struggle even more with the rapid change in global climate caused by industrial and developing nations pouring green house gasses into the atmosphere, pollution into the water, etc.

The fukheads I'm talking about are idiots with little or no understanding of how the physical world works (science) who stand in the way of reasonable attempts to limit green house gas emissions and environmental pollution. Fukheads like you.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
PHDBOY:
The fukheads I'm talking about are idiots with little or no understanding of how the physical world works (science) who stand in the way of reasonable attempts to limit green house gas emissions and environmental pollution.

I get it. The majority of humanity that is actually doing the C02 emitting get a pass.

OK.

How do you plan on selling this agenda that has no viable solution to them billions that need the FF in order to survive as you state??

You and your lot have nothing to offer them all other than your plea to cease using any more FF's.
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