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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
And Al Gore is fat!

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Chief Moobs, you're the biggest hypocrite here.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:41am PT
DMT: Owner and Driver of the proverbial Good old Americana "Wanna-Be Duck Nation" Urban Jacked Up V-8 4X4 Wilderness Tear Em Up Vehicle.... Love it!

Me too. I built it with chewing gum, recycled parts and back of napkin (literally) ingenuity. Its a Frankenstein ride - drive train from a PG&E service truck mated to a used e350 van with the legendary Ford 7.2 liter diesel which gets pretty good mileage for a vehicle this size, way better than gasoline (but the service $$$ probably offset those savings, but that's labor not carbon credits :D).

Its got a wooden 'boat' roof with an ingenious (if I do say so myself, and I do) lifting mechanism using salvaged aluminum spars tooled with a simple grinder and hand-drill, barn door hinges (stainless of course) and a tent made from salvaged fabric sewn by my long time friend and Yosemite climber Mark Tuttle, owner / operator of TOE out of Merced. The floor is from a boat, marine grade plywood with some sort of formica-like covering. The folding seat / bed is made with 2x4s haha and a recycled mattress that is the most comfy camping bed I have ever enjoyed. I use a propane heater in winter, as well as propane for cooking.

The thing is continuously half-broke-down and full time bad ass. Like me.

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:42am PT
For Base, maybe Dingus and anyone else who might be curious to read a geologist's big-picture perspective on climate change, aimed at general readership ... another geologist sent me this book for Christmas, by University of Colorado geologist William Hay:



Here is the Amazon.com blurb:
This book is a thorough introduction to climate science and global change. The author is a geologist who has spent much of his life investigating the climate of Earth from a time when it was warm and dinosaurs roamed the land, to today's changing climate. Bill Hay takes you on a journey to understand how the climate system works. He explores how humans are unintentionally conducting a grand uncontrolled experiment which is leading to unanticipated changes. We follow the twisting path of seemingly unrelated discoveries in physics, chemistry, biology, geology, and even mathematics to learn how they led to our present knowledge of how our planet works. He explains why the weather is becoming increasingly chaotic as our planet warms at a rate far faster than at any time in its geologic past. He speculates on possible future outcomes, and suggests that nature itself may make some unexpected course corrections. Although the book is written for the layman with little knowledge of science or mathematics, it includes information from many diverse fields to provide even those actively working in the field of climatology with a broader view of this developing drama. Experimenting on a Small Planet is a must read for anyone having more than a casual interest in global warming and climate change - one of the most important and challenging issues of our time.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
How the fk can you be a full time badass if you're 50% of the time broke down and crippled?

I'm an EEEEE!... NIGGGGGG!... MAAAAAAA!... Wrapped over a griddle. Stuffed in a poblano. With some goat cheese.

Being broke down and crippled is but an inconvenience and an expression of my own blend of bad assssssssssss (TM).

DMT

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
You said lots of sh#t about me, lie boy. Never once manned up about it either.

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Chief, why don't you spend your free time working off your moobs instead of posting here and showing how illiterate you are?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Here is an interesting presentation on the difficulties of climate modeling. I know that most of you will dismiss it without watching as FF industry or Koch brothers propaganda, but the few of you that do watch it might just have some questions to ask of our resident scientists.It is the second article on this website.

http://notrickszone.com/

EDIT-fixed link

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
As previously stated, publicly and privately-huge respect for your service. Thank You.
But that respect is eroding faster than a bong placement on an Olevsky route in a rain squall.

I know you don't give a shet about my opinion, or anyones. But you take lowest common denominator in a steep deep dive. Everyday's a new low.

Credit: Wade Icey
raymond phule

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
"NOTICE: This domain name expired on 12/9/2013 and is pending renewal or deletion. Renew It Now!"

Good link...
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
has nothing to do with any side of any thread topic and you know it.

Credit: Sub human
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
On the flip side, anything that challenges warmer dogma is idiotic denier propaganda.

we're in agreement on that one....except nothing challenging has been submitted.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/12/28/msm-glosses-over-irony-global-warming-scientists-trapped-antarctic-ice#ixzz2ovITxKYv
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
what do you know about unbiased opinion? Know anyone who has one?

sketchy's lip syncing <br/>
sketchy's lip syncing

Credit: Elliot Gourmet
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
You are supposed to be answering the questions not asking Ed. So here is what I found most interesting-that picture of Leonardo's, where the waterfall hits the pool below. The eddies and whirlpools begetting endless possible variations of additional eddies and whirlpools-the chaos possible in the turbulence. With the resolution of climate modeling inadequate to model small grids ( I think he mentioned like 100 km grids) how do the models compensate adequately when the smaller scale grids can combine in near infinite combinations to produce wholes sometimes greater than the parts? In your own words please.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
how do the models compensate adequately when the smaller scale grids can combine in near infinite combinations to produce wholes sometimes greater than the parts?

error bars
raymond phule

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:49pm PT

You are supposed to be answering the questions not asking Ed.

Interesting method of discussion. He should look at an hour long presentation and answer every point made in the presentation. You would of course ignore his answer as usual.

Why don't you read and analyze the IPCC report and show why it is wrong?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 30, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
Update on the public-distrust-of-science discussion just upthread: a Pew Research Center poll just released today finds that only 43% of Republicans (down from 54% in 2009) believe that humans evolved over time.



Although our questions are somewhat different, the 43% Pew result looks pretty similar to the 45% that I posted upthread (but broken down a step farther, with Tea Party supporters down to 35%).

Views of science have indeed become politicized, but as well shown on this thread the politicizing has not been symmetrical.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Dec 30, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Interesting, but after following some of Chiloe's recent posts/links about the US public distrust of science, it seems to be inline and working for someone, who is that someone?





Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 30, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
If you really distrust science, you should move to a Mennonite or Amish colony.
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