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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:20am PT
bruce Gay
Keep ur boo-hoo'in in Can-Nada
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:34am PT
Ah Blue Blocker! I'm glad you checked in

Now where were we..... oh yeah, I don't think we heard your answer to this yet:


Did he create it out of nothing?
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 10, 2013 - 03:04am PT
the only difference is in
2000 the number should have been 11.1 instead of 11.2, 2004 10.1 instead of 10.2 and 2008 7.7 instead of 7.8

Obviously, it's a global conspiracy to fabricate data supporting the claim that a year is 365.25 days. Will the douchebaggery of the scientific community never cease?
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 10, 2013 - 04:27am PT
No blogs, no media, just the same sources that deniers manipulate, distort, or simply misunderstand to support their claims:

The Arctic Institute presents the first interactive graphs for Arctic sea ice extent and volume


CryoSat-2 mission reveals major Arctic sea-ice loss


CryoSat-2 estimates of Arctic sea ice thickness and volume

And for those looking for it, data:





From the Jet Propulsion Lab (that would be the Jay-Pee-El)


QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 05:05am PT
Maybe we could start a companion thread?

Climate Change non-skeptics? [ot]
or
Climate Change semi-skeptics? [ot]

Something along those lines? Like the way people looking for Matthew Greene split up their threads.

Climate Change skeptics deserve their own thread. This thread was titled for confrontation. Wage war, beat each other up.
I'm not into that.

What if someone would like to understand the finer points, make use of our unique resources like the first-hand observations of Greg Stock? Disagreement is fine, but no insulting allowed? Narrow the argument down?

If anyone is adamantly opposed to the concept or just wants to piss people off, you could just say "hey, we got a thread for that, I'll kick your ass over there." Politely move along.

I'm on the fence, myself. My oldest climbing buddy doesn't believe in the stuff. I would like to know more. I spend some of my favorite months on ice and snow. I like looking at mountains and guessing how they get there. I dig leave-no-trace. I'm glad we're starting to look at that at a global level.

There's a place for Jerry Springer, World Wide Wresting. Is that why this thread is so popular?
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 10, 2013 - 05:27am PT
QITNL, On the fence are ya? In case your butt cheeks are hurting, get off that fence and start looking here:

No blogs, no media, just the same sources that deniers manipulate, distort, or simply misunderstand to support their claims:

The Arctic Institute presents the first interactive graphs for Arctic sea ice extent and volume


CryoSat-2 mission reveals major Arctic sea-ice loss


CryoSat-2 estimates of Arctic sea ice thickness and volume

And for those looking for it, data:





From the Jet Propulsion Lab (that would be the Jay-Pee-El)
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 05:48am PT
I don't think you are really hearing me. But I think we can work through it - like we did before, on my goofy bridge TR.

You start out all Jerry Springer. Then you spent a lot of time quoting data - probably good data - but it means nothing to me.

Why is it meaningless? Because you insulted me.

I might be the dumbest monkey in the cage, but don't be your own worst enemy.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:05am PT
In case you need info: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/

Off to the Greentopia festival up in Rochester this weekend.

This is where us utopians get TOGHETHER to SHARE thoughts,product examples[solar ,wind ,biofuels ,etc.]and EXCHANGE ideas of sustainability.

I know these events are not everywhere.

I am riding a bike with friends of the bikeshop i work pt at.http://www.mendoncyclesmith.com

We will be there in support of our friends at Buffalo Biodiesel.http://www.buffalobiodiesel.com

Great music,people and ideas.

It is too bad we are all wrong.

The event has grown threefold:http://greentopiafest.com
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:30am PT
I'm not sure if I get that - the being wrong part - it sounds like good clean fun. Have a great weekend.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:39am PT
"Im not sure if i get that-the being wrong part"

Just some proliferation for the deniosphere.

Thank You.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:44am PT
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

The first graph is how the "skeptics" view the arctic sea ice extent data.

I found it so stupid that it is fascinating that some "skeptics" tries to claim that the globe is not warming by using the arctic sea ice data because this year is not a record year.

The ice extent for this year is so far the 6 lowest for the 33 last years. It is lower than all years before 2007. The mean has consistently being lower every decade. The volume is shrinking even more than the area.

To be a skeptic and believing that the arctic sea ice is not shrinking or that what happens goes against the AGW theory just shows that you don't understand science at all or that you are brain washed by media and blogs with an agenda.


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 07:57am PT
This thread is often about fake climate change skeptics, but Ed shows again that like many scientists he is a real one -- he downloads and analyzes the PIOMAS data to find out for himself!

Ed then looks closely at those data, noticing a small discrepancy involving leap years. That happens because PIOMAS does not actually do leap years, as a simplification the model divides every year into 365 "days" (satellite data which provide the main inputs don't divide into calendar days either). DOY in the PIOMAS output never reaches 366.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 08:13am PT
Raymond - much of this is probably a media war. Their Daily Telegraph is our National Enquirer.

Chiloe - Ed's a solid dude. I met him once, we didn't talk much. I met some folks who worked around him, they said he was a solid dude. Good enough for me.

Let's make better use of his time. Ed, that goes for you, too.
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 10, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Then you spent a lot of time quoting data - probably good data - but it means nothing to me.

So.... what is it that you're on the fence about?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Chiloe - Ed's a solid dude.

I'm not disputing Ed, he did things right right.
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:06am PT
"So.... what is it that you're on the fence about?"

Finally - that's a real good question. I'll give you a real straight answer:

I'm sick of the hate-speech.

It disrespects the explicit request of CMac.

I'm sick of all the petty bickering.

You don't think it affects anyone? You're an idiot.

Here, of all places. Show some respect.

(Not directed at you personally, last question I answered was on an SAT test)

A whole new bunch of new kids are born everyday. Anyone ready for a new thread?
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Un dialogue de sourds.
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:16am PT
People have dedicated their lives to a scrupulous study of the natural world, earning shiht for money and getting little respect along the way (at least in this country). After years of work, millions of dollars in equipment, truckloads of data, their work is denigrated to that of 'opinion' by the nation at large, as if all of that effort equaled the 'opinion' of some denialist blogger.

Scientific study isn't a democracy. Your opinion doesn't equal someone's else's doctorate, unless we're talking about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

So, what are you on the fence about?

(Non. Il ne sont pas sourd. Il ne veut tout simplement pas écouter.)
QITNL

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:24am PT
i'm the kinda guy who will google to figure out if i was insulted.

Literally it means: "a deaf people's dialogue" and we use this expression to describe a situation where two persons engage in dialogue and keep talking back to each other without actually understanding what the other person is trying to say.

a couple more posts and maybe there will be one cool page in this long dumb thread. good luck. thanks!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 10, 2013 - 09:31am PT
CHILOE:
This thread is often about fake climate change skeptics, but Ed shows again that like many scientists he is a real one -- he downloads and analyzes the PIOMAS data to find out for himself!

Ed then looks closely at those data, noticing a small discrepancy involving leap years. That happens because PIOMAS does not actually do leap years, as a simplification the model divides every year into 365 "days" (satellite data which provide the main inputs don't divide into calendar days either). DOY in the PIOMAS output never reaches 366.


Instead of contesting the accusation I made with data and your calcs etc., you posted this:

Rick Poedtke is posting false accusations on the Internet, again.

That just once again proved the point that you and the rest here care nothing about validating your stance in a respectful manner. Instead, supposed Ph.D's and Professional University Professor and the rest of you White Coats, do nothing but demean and do everything you can possible to discredit ANYONE that does not align and agree with any and all that you post and stand on.

I succeeded in doing what I set out to do Larry Hamilton. You and the rest here are so full of yourselves and your agenda, that not one of you even saw that aspect of the arrogance that you all continue to display, over and over and over.

Craig Fry, MONO, supposedly PhD WES and Fortmental continuously being the leaders in the personal attacks.

And you all are supposedly "Professionals" in the field of Science etc.

Well, you all have been successfully trolled. You all have proven repeatedly the on going arrogance and disrespect of this entire issue that comes from YOUR MMGA side of the aisle.

Again, it's precedence was established by the very first post that KMAN established this thread with:
Just wondering, are there any more climate change skeptics out there? Or did they all die off from gagging on all the right-wing spin on the subject?


You people can not see that this will be the ultimate reason why your side is losing throughout the world. Evidenced again by both the EU and Australian governments dropping the Carbon Tax notion completely.

You all DO NOT even understand this very recent analysis nor will you ever. You are too blinded by your arrogant ideological Liberal Utopian agenda.

“The greatest threat to the alleviation of the structural poverty of the Third World is the continuing campaign by western governments, egged on by some climate scientists and green groups, to curb greenhouse gas emissions, primarily the CO2 from burning fossil fuels. To put a limit on the use of fossil fuels without adequate economically viable alternatives is to condemn the Third World to perpetual structural poverty.”
Deepak Lal, Professor Emeritus of International Development Studies at UCLA and Professor Emeritus of Political Economy at University College London.




Raymond Phule:
The ice extent for this year is so far the 6 lowest for the 33 last years. It is lower than all years before 2007. The mean has consistently being lower every decade. The volume is shrinking even more than the area.

So, we as a world of people will follow the trend of a mere 33 years and totally forget the rest of the time this earth has existed in order to base a decision such as the one you all want us all to follow.

This is the exact same ideological bs that was initiated back in the late 60's through the mid 70's by the Climate Science community when they cried wolf regarding the impending Ice Age.
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