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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Figures you'd be in on that one WES. That is the true way to be unbias. Must be some new scientific theory huh?

If they do not agree with us, terminate em cus they are terrorists.

Sounds just like Assad last night.

Nice WES. Nice.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
My biggest skill is what is called "Sequence Stratigraphy." It is the new and powerful paradigm that replaced plain old "stratigraphy."

OT, but I wish we had Base along on our hike a few days ago near Golden. Heavy rains on N Table Mountain have exposed a clean, continuous section of sedimentary bedrock more than a thousand feet long, that had been completely buried under sediments. The section cuts across (not along) strata that lie between the Fountain formation (Pennsylvanian) sediments to the west, and the Paleocene basalt flows atop Table Mountain.



EDIT: Looking at a map: This newly-exposed section is well above the Fountain formation. It's mostly Tertiary, but possibly this section crosses the interesting K-T boundary. From maps it appears to consist of Denver formation Tdv and Kdv, "tuffaceous sandstone, silty claystone and andesite conglomerate."
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
Ah, Frontalobotome figures the code.


You all get rid of me and the point is made.


You all lose.

But you don't even get that cus you all are so locked into this mania.


Sequester and terminate anyone that does not agree.

Nice Frontalobotme.

Censorship? The new American way huh.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Sequester and terminate anyone that does not agree.

Nope. Just the fukheads. Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Chief is PDg9PTU7PSc, not ODM8NTo8OCc?

Later fukhead.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Not rich or poor, Chief. Not hysterical, either.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Not working..... Frontalobotme.


There are angels amongst us.

Weak sauce at best is all you and WES truly are.


But then history does in fact repeat itself.

And you think MMGW is the enemy.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 16, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
I said this long ago and it remains true

you will absolutely not "defeat" the Chief

he has more stamina, more determination, and more experience in rebutting opposition

its not about being right or wrong, it IS about being The Last Man Standing

debating the Chief is.....refer to the Definition of Insanity....the process, not the participants

what IS accomplished is merely brushing up on verbal sparring skills, that's all

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 16, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
Sooooo then in 2020, the price of a gallon of gas might be 10.00 and the price of your average american energy bill 300.00 per month. And im sure the "minimum wage" will about 9.00 an hour.. Then of course your mandated insurance bills,, and having to pay 12.50 for a head of lettuce, should leave exactly 52 cents for things like rent or mortgage.. These "camps" they have built are really starting to make sense now..

Wonder if "hoods" will resemble the ones in Burma, Nam , China etc.. Corrugated tin as far as you can see?


If the govt is so worried about CC, then why dont they use our dollars to fix US so we can afford these changes? Why dont they subsidize the retro fitting of power companys so the upgrade expenses arent passed right down to the low guy on the totem pole? No missiles for the ME and fixing our power, sounds like a cool idea to me.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Why dont they subsidize the retro fitting of power companys so the upgrade expenses arent passed right down to the low guy on the totem pole

SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! Goddamn commie Anderson. Burn the commie witch!

Ron, you are aware that the power companies have low-income subsidies? And you are aware that the State of CA is attempting to raise the min wage to $10? And you are aware that the 1% Koch brother, republican crowd...the same ones funding your climate change delialists, who have bought and paid for the so-called "Tea Party" politicians, will be the ones standing between the avg American and a living wage?

Of course you don't. Because you don't seem to undestand much at all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
We will see what those low income subsidies do in 2020 Elcap. Especially at the rate we let the worlds poor in here. There will be no subsidies by then. Welfare? How do you think thats going to be in 2020? What you havent done is look forward to that time.

Right now, in the USA, the most un employed people are those that made 20K per year or less to begin with, and that rate is 26%

Which is also a severe under estimate since many are off the un employment figures due to running out of benefits. Your very state is broke and then some and even major cities have recently declared bankruptcy. See where all of this is going?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
You're talking out of your socialist deluded azz Cap. Show us the Koch money trail you lockstepping idiot. If you morons ever get your way and successfully transfer all your personal responsibilities along with liberties to big government and big business you'll be the first run over by the machine in your next silly cause.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
big business

Who the f*#k do you think the Kochs are, you retard? The second biggest privately held company in the country.

"Koch was also one of the funders of the 2007 polar bear junk science “study” authored by prominent climate deniers (including Sallie Baliunas, David Legates and Tim Ball) that claimed to prove that polar bear populations were not affected by anthropogenic climate disruption in the Arctic. Dr. Willie Soon, one of the non-peer-reviewed paper’s authors, disclosed in the acknowledgements section that he had received direct corporate funding for the work, stating “W. Soon’s effort for the completion of this paper was partially supported by grants from the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, American Petroleum Institute, and Exxon-Mobil Corporation.”

Although the paper was thoroughly debunked by actual experts on Arctic sea ice and polar bears, many of the front groups funded by Koch and Exxon rebroadcast the study widely, creating public confusion. The matter came to a head when Sarah Palin and her officers in the Alaskan government referenced the Soon/Baliunas polar bear paper before it was even published "

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"Koch spent over half the total amount -nearly $25 million - funding climate denier groups from 2005 to 2008, a period in which Exxon only spent $8.9 million."

"Koch Industries has bankrolled Americans for Prosperity to the tune of over $5 million since 2005. AFP – known primarily for its role in organizing the tea party movement in the U.S. – brought notorious climate denier Lord Christopher Monckton to the Copenhagen climate summit as its guest speaker. Despite Lord Monckton’s reprehensible behavior in Copenhagen – where he repeatedly compared college students advocating for a clean energy future to “Hitler Youth” and “Nazis” – Americans for Prosperity continues to host Monckton at its events in the United States, including a recent appearance in Wisconsin. "
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And you were saying what, dipsh#t? There's your f*#king money trail, moron.







Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
campaign finance reform.

McCain-Finegold Act was a very good start towards campaign finance reform

unfortunately the Supreme Court gave unlimited spending to Corporations with the Citizens United decision

how about term limits, which Ron Anderson and myself favor for US congressmen?

maybe a maximum of serving 10 years or something like that, although I do see the advantages to getting legislation passed by allowing multiple continuous service
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
CAPINTHEASS:

Ron, you are aware that the power companies have low-income subsidies?

Subsidies?

More like a percentage discount that they still need to pay monthly.

Ah, that is where so many of you are completely outta touch. There are hundreds of millions of people GLOBALLY that can barely afford to pay for power to light and heat their homes. Many Millions here in CA and the US can barely do so as well. Seniors living on a fixed SS income comes to mind.

But what do you people care. Right? They are just to be considered Collateral Damage for your cause.


ASSCAP
"Koch was also one of the funders of the 2007 polar bear junk science “study” authored by prominent climate deniers (including Sallie Baliunas, David Legates and Tim Ball) that claimed to prove that polar bear populations were not affected by anthropogenic climate disruption in the Arctic. Dr. Willie Soon, one of the non-peer-reviewed paper’s authors, disclosed in the acknowledgements section that he had received direct corporate funding for the work, stating “W. Soon’s effort for the completion of this paper was partially supported by grants from the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, American Petroleum Institute, and Exxon-Mobil Corporation.”

Christy & Spencer work directly for NASA and NOAA. Why do you shet on them and do all you can to discredit their work??

And this dude has NEVER contributed any of his Billions to the Pro MMGW side in order to promote Carbon Trade Globally where he would surely benefit and gain so much??

Riiiiiiiiiiiight!
dirtbag

climber
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Elcap,, dont know where you get you info, but Dept of AG biologists said about the bears, theres not just more but a hella of a lot more bears now.

Not even Canada signed the act prohibitng polar bear hunts, imports and the like.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
And this dude has NEVER contributed any of his Billions to the Pro MMGW side in order to promote Carbon Trade Globally where he would surely benefit and gain so much??

Are you ever right about anything? Anything at all?

"Soros has said he prefers a greenhouse-gas tax because carbon emission-trading systems, which are used in Europe, can be manipulated by investors. "

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aehNEmSWfjiQ

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Polar bears numbers increased due to conservation efforts, from about 12k in the 70's to about 22k now, due to the 1973 treaty, of which Canada is a member of. This treaty stopped the unregulated hunting and ended hunting from aircraft and ice breakers, and reduced quotas for native hunters.

Today, 1/3 of the sub populations are declining, 1/3 are steady or increasing and 1/3 not studied enough to know.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
I said this long ago and it remains true

you will absolutely not "defeat" the Chief

he has more stamina, more determination, and more experience in rebutting opposition

its not about being right or wrong, it IS about being The Last Man Standing

debating the Chief is.....refer to the Definition of Insanity....the process, not the participants

what IS accomplished is merely brushing up on verbal sparring skills, that's all

I generally agree with you Norton on all counts but one - his stamina, determination and experience is all formidable, but none of it has anything to do with "rebutting" opposition. His power lies completely with obfuscation, deflection and avoidance of challenge by opposition. If he engaged in rebuttal he would answer questions, provide explanation and evidence, and generally avoid his many security blankets of intellectual cowardice such as cherry picking. But the gist of your assessment is correct - his entire purpose here is not to discover the truth, it is to win and by that measure as is the case with most authoritarians, any method to achieve that end is justified.

The other thing is that the supposed benefit of sharpening our verbal sparring skills against him is of dubious value, unless you're a six year old. Wouldn't it be so much better if Mad Poodle hadn't fizzled?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 16, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Bruce,

given what you say is true, then why continue to engage?

with the outcome, none, predetermined

what is the point?
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