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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Thank you. Now I know what Chuffs principle is. Self reliance. Comes with a pension apparently.

And I was supposed to glean that from some bizarre tale about Roy Spencer getting his pee pee wacked at some hazing ceremony. Damn I'm glad you guys are around to school me on principles.

Now how does that effect wether the scienc e is right or wrong?

I like the "confidence in your own council" part. The more confident the better huh?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Here is a very interesting interview for all of you to read. The alarmists among you; lease hold your nose and read anyway. Who do you guys think really gets hurt by the unthinking rush into not ready for market renewables- take a look.

Having trouble with the link will post later

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:19am PT
I thought of all people on this thread Ed would get it, seeing as how he was a self made man, but alas I was wrong. Your "collective" is either made up of useless robots or thinking self reliant individuals Ed. I guess you are part of an intelligentia that is determining human's as the former. Congratulations, may you have many years of enjoyment changing soiled robot adult diapers.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:22am PT

did you graduate from high school, just curious?

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Is Alaskan Rick self reliant enough to refuse the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend payout?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Already did it long ago Mutt- the requirements for duration of stay in state does not fit my travels or business. Yes, of course Norton. I could have done anything I wanted, including put myself through any university and curriculum but I saw no need because I already knew what I was going to do- one main plan and then a backup which became my career- and you Norton?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:59am PT
If there was any doubt before, none exists now that Rick Sumners entire skin in this game is libertarianism and the moral principle that transcends all others - self reliance.

Qualified of course that self reliance is conditional on the roads, bridges , military, police and miscl. other vital services provided by government, A dogs breakfast of consumer goods by China as well as the accumulated assets and power acquired through colonial exploitation of the original residents as well as ongoing corporate redistribution of wealth from various foreign endebted out posts..... all brought to you by the services of Chuff Enterprises, a subsidiary of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Koch Twins and the World Bank.

Hey Rick - this summer as luck would have it I stumbled upon an old discarded copy of Atlas Shrugged in a fire pit.... fitting no? Anyway, I spent many a fine evening putting myself to sleep with it. Its stark florid prose and simpleminded austerely teutonic morality often reminded me of you - have you read it? Like Paul Ryan do you keep a copy close to your heart? Sweet Jesus that thing is a real eye opener. Anyone who wonders where fascism comes from should read it.

Now Ayn Rand sure was self reliant, even though she collected social security benefits and recieved a little help with her lung cancer treatment..... unable as she was to quite figure out the technical details herself. I mean she could sure imagine self reliance anyway.

Yup. Everyone should just be self reliant - like the Koch brothers.

Well thanks for the lesson in moral principles

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 17, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Hey rick,, looks like yur fan club groweth.

How bout them P Bears Eh! Someone should inform them they are supposed to be thrashing about in the hot sun on a neked and dry ass beach somewheres..;-)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 02:07am PT
Perhaps you should repay your debt in kind Ed. Somebody helped instill the ideals that allowed you to dream and then through hard work and focus become that scientist you imagined yourself to be in childhood. Why now, must you preach to these others that limits have been reached, the future not of the same promise as the past, and only through retreat and sacrifice of potentials can we survive for the better of all. Why can't you shrug this cloak of despair and inspire your successor's to focus on solutions for tomorrow's world rather than retreat from challenge. Your stated way forward is not the only way.

Bruce, has anyone ever told you that you are overly cynical Turd?

Anyway arseholes, the day of reckoning is a coming. The IPCC is set to self immolate, and with it many of your cherished socialist dreams will burn on the funeral pyre. Tomorrow the NIPCC is rolling out their own assessment based on science that seeks to explain the observational reality.

Yeah Ron, the population is now estimated to be 25,000. More than at anytime since population studies began. They are the limit of what their habitat can naturally sustain.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 17, 2013 - 02:47am PT
Bruce, has anyone ever told you that you are overly cynical Turd?

Only when I cross the border and I start popping right wing bubbles. Its like stepping on bubble wrap. Hey I was serious - Is Atlas Shrugged your most favorite book?

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 17, 2013 - 07:32am PT
So just realizing that they are all about themselves. Libertarian Utopia,as long as we subsidize their FF addiction.
Do libertarians have close friends?
I know plenty of them ,especially since Brush did so well with our[gasp],Commonwealth.
Just ask them,there are 193 countries in this world,Why is it that not one of them are controlled by a libertarian government [oxymoron]?

Oh the morality. Self reliance should be a responsibility.Not some medal to hold over others.How would they understand that?

Let us all know when this is not about you.
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:41am PT
what you might have missed, rick, is the dependence an individual has on the existence of many other individuals... when you live in a place, e.g. Alaska, where the population density is 1.26/sq mile compared to a state like New Jersey with a population density of 1,205/sq mile, the possibility of doing something that doesn't affect someone else is relatively high, where as doing that same thing in New Jersey, with 1000 times the population density, might perturb someone else...

the world has gotten to a point where the collective activities of the people affect all of the people, it isn't an individual thing anymore, you can't go to some remote corner of the world and do your own thing... there are no more remote corners, and the thing you do isn't just about yourself.

generally, the adaptation to that sort of living is to impose a collective organization that can regulate activities for the common good. that's the sort of adaptation that occurs in big cities, in nations, and probably now the entire globe. as you are quick to point out, the Chinese are generating plenty of CO2, a total that now exceeds that generated by the US.... to the extent that that CO2 can alter the climate of the globe, there is no where you can go to be 'individual,' everywhere you'd go you're affected by all those other people. solving those problems are global, not regional.

so our pursuit of happiness is tied up with all those others, and our liberties are limited in the sense that we can do anything we want as long as it doesn't impinge on others' "liberty" but our actions increasingly do impinge on others...

It's always amused me how these libertarians get used by the fukwad right to justify their own agendas, and how they have no qualms when exploiting the benefits of their own government.

Freedom = Freedom to fuk you out of your job, property, and/or life savings; whatever's worth the most.
Basic Rights = The right to own basic necessities like clean water and air, then bill you for it.
Personal Responsibility = You are personally responsible for keeping Monsanto GMO out of your fields, or we haul you to jail, and get your farm.
Free Speech = 'Free' only to the wealthy, but no criticizing the meat industry or burning (Chinese-made) American flags.
Property Rights = I have the right to use my property for shooting bald eagles, parking old appliances, and humping small animals.
Self Regulating Markets = Blow me


I assuredly know that Craig DRF, Larry Chiloe, DrAllriledup, Brewsky, Capernasses, Wesphd'dmess etal concur 100% with this ideology as does one G. Soros.

Thus my point has been proven.

This entire MMGW deal HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the climate. The natural changing climate is just a front for a political and social ideological agenda. Nothing more nothing less. A Utopian state based on a Scientism philosophy and standards. Independent thought/lifestyle and the belief in spiritually based personal God of ones choice is and will not be tolerated.

How swell of you all.

Sorry. Not in this lifetime.

There are a buttload of me walking this planet that will not tolerate such a concept.

Facto boys. Facto.

And we are all on a "pension" paid for by your taxes Allriledup. Standing the fk by. Able and Ready.

You think I am bad. You all outta meet some of my old Shipmates. I guarantee ya they will never tolerate such a debacle to exist. Never.

Remember what Norton said. He completely understands where I come from.

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 17, 2013 - 10:57am PT
There are a buttload of me

Finally we agree, Chief. You are indeed, a buttload. Similar to the one I just dropped in the bowl.

will not tolerate

Oh dear, wiping the tears of laughter away now. Your geritol keyboard warrior brigade will "tolerate" damn well anything the govt dictates. Don't forget who buys your groceries and viagra pills, little feller.


Sep 17, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 17, 2013 - 11:10am PT
I'm glad we have cleared up this little misunderstanding - that is, that the climate change controversy had anything to do with science. Despite the shell games of Rick and Chuff there is little doubt that no matter where the science leads, the only thing that matters to them is that the forces of communism are defeated. I'm still a little fuzzy as to their astounding leap of logic equating reality with communism but they have taken that leap into the fantasyland of Glenn Beck, complete with a desire to escape to some backwoods enclave of like minded raving lunatics.

All on principle. I think it is fascinating that people can take a single principle - beneficial as it may be - and pin their entire raisson d'ete on it and damn the torpedos. Actually Rick you were wrong and just a little bit arrogant to assume you knew what drives me to a summit or to provide for my kids. It was the pursuit of Life , Liberty and Happiness moron. Not just my own but for my kids and other peoples kids. Self reliance is a tool that contributes in no small amount but in isolation thats all it is - you are isolated, Just you and your crab pots.... which you bought from China. If you single out self reliance as your guiding principle you by definition imply to hell with everyone else. I know you at least don't do this but that explains how flawed your mythology is. It is so full of holes that you yourself can't follow it to its natural conclusion because of all the other equally valid principles and realities.... such as science!

I got no truck with your ideas of self reliance but there's a few things that standout about it. One is that it is practically unattainable, especially for the vast majority of humans and even for the rabidly fundamentalists, which leads to the second problem. Human psychology you may have noticed creates an increasing risk of fascist intolerance for others with a corresponding increase in such fundamentalism. Just look at the words of Chuff:

You think I am bad. You all outta meet some of my old Shipmates. I guarantee ya they will never tolerate such a debacle to exist. Never.

He dosn't have to remind us of this endlessly, we are all aware of the implied threat of violence that comes from that quarter. But never mind that for now, we'll cross that bridge when we have to.... the thing is, I'm not sure why you - arrogantly once again - feel the need to lecture on self reliance here on a climbing forum to a crowd that by and large has battled their ways through life largely by the tools of self reliance. Unless, you feel yourself a more exemplary shining representation than the rest of us..... sort of like some high preist of Objectivism?

Hey that reminds me, Atlas Shrugged - read it? Sits in your bedside table on top of the bible?
If not I'm surprised.

Sep 17, 2013 - 11:11am PT
You are indeed, a buttload. Similar to the one I just dropped in the bowl.

Stupid small children (elcapass) who always splash at the shallow end of the pool will always remain there ......
The Chief

From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 17, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Thanks for you and all your Brothers & Sisters busting your asses all them years for us!
(Fixed it for ya)

Yur welcome.

I am so glad you appreciate our efforts in keeping sorry spoiled little boy asses such as yourself free & safe to whine away without any repercussions from the Gov't that takes good care of your teet sucking ass.

BTW: We did not do it for you or the likes of you. But then you would not understand that either.

Whine away little boy ASSCAP. Whine away.

Shet! That actually looks like old DOCRILEY.... ha!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 17, 2013 - 11:55am PT
well we certainly succeeded in drawing you guys out of the closet , now didn't we? Let's forget the pretense of the "science", as after all, as Ed has made so clear, it's all about your left wing ideology. Ed et al- do you ever feel a twinge of shame, I mean your ideology is so far from pursuit of truth (science) that you can hardly call yourself a scientist anymore. How in the hell did you get so lost, so far from where you started?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Arrogant, once again. Or selectively blind? Both are halmarks of the rightwing cherry pickers.

Speaking for myself, I have endlessly stated that I will follow where the science leads on this issue.

Can you say that? Before you answer remember that in order to agree you need to not only assert but also substantiate your reasons that the institutional science is wrong and your chosen contrarians are right.

Anyway, are you saying I am a strident eco nazi beholden to a mythic ideology?

Can you substantiate this?

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 17, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
fuking idiots
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