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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 6, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
The Keeling CO2 data only go back to the late 1950s, but they have a slightly quadratic look similar to the Church & White sea level -- I think the fit would be pretty good, apart from the noise in both series.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 6, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
I give little value scientific proclamations of a nation that now stand at 26th of the worlds nation in science and math.

Who would you trust more? A student who scores high on an exam, or a scientist who wins a Nobel prize

Hong Kong (top students in math and science) has only one Nobel winner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
I give little value scientific proclamations of a nation that now stand at 26th of the worlds nation in science and math.


Bro, IPCC ain't just the top climate scientists from the USA..., hence the name "International."

[Bzzzzzt!] Thanks for playing!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
The WORST fire seasons on record were, 1883, 1910 1926 in that order, i believe.

Ron, perhaps you can tell me; how big do you think the Rim Fire would be if we used the fire-fighting tactics from any of the "big fire" years you've mentioned?

Come on now, be honest.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
Malcolm Gladwell had an interesting tidbit about the asian advantage in math in some essay or book. It basically came down to the way their language structure treats numbers that make it more logical and easier for kids to grasp.

I can't recall the exact details, but something along the lines of how in english we have the modifier preceding the noun which emphasizes the modifier...green car, vs. say spanish where it's opposite auto verde. In this case, I think it's that they don't have screwy numbers like the eleven, twelve, thirteen, etc, but instead a structure like "ten and one" for eleven, etc.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
A gem:

On what basis do you conclude that this [AWG] is "the big lie"? My guess is your conclusion is largely based on your political point of view, and has nothing to do with any science that you understand.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
It is common for people to assume that all science happens in the United States. It does not. We just pay better.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Ron, I don't know about the rest of the country, but I lived in interior AK during two of the three worst fire seasons on record up there, 2004(1st) and 2005 (3rd).

Given that the interior isn't managed as forest, and never has been, I don't think you can pawn that one off on fuel loads from forest mismangement.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
On what basis do you conclude that this [AWG] is "the big lie"? My guess is your conclusion is largely based on your political point of view, and has nothing to do with any science that you understand.

I think it is worth pointing out that this above is no mere assertion. It is an observation that is empirical and proven to a large extent due to their admitted and demonstrable poor grasp of the science. Unfortunately, this theory could be explored further and could even be weakened if the deniers would engage in an exploration of their decision making processes but they refuse to do so, from which we can reasonably infer a further weakening of their position due to the willful obstructive nature of their behavior.

Assertion and obstruction seems to be their strengths. It sure as hell isn't science anyway. Perhaps their assertion has taken a little hit recently, which would explain the obstructive silence.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Jack Daniels bbq's

JD is Tennessee, dude. Be prepared you will always be a left wing California fag to those good ole boys.

Kentucky is not in the south, so don't let em say otherwise. Way more like Ohio than those Tennessee wankers.

DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 6, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
Yale Forum on Climate Change and the Media.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 6, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Monolith ,great piece,but i think it needs banjo music for the deniers.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
First Chinese Container Ship is using the Northern Passage

The shorter trip will mean lower fuel costs (and, ironically, fewer greenhouse gas emissions) for the freighter. Taking this route is expected to save 12 to 15 days of travel


http://greentomorrows.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/first-container-ship-crossing-the-northern-passage/


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/18/business/china-reveals-its-arctic-ambitions-in-new-shipping-route/



kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Thanks for a relevant post, monolith! Good video.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/06/if-all-you-see-882/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
Sooooo ANYONE remember Al Gores speech about hurricanes on the uprise due to GW,, along with Nany Bloomberg?


Thus far this hurricane season there hasnt been ONE hurricane in the Atlantic seaboard. Setting up to be a record dead year ROFLMAO!


And another GW flagship sinks to the briney deep.....


Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
The season isn't over yet

Was last year a big looser as well?
I guess Sandy wasn't big enough to make news!
Which happened on Oct 22.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Well doc,, the exact quote of big Als was: We are having MORE storms and MORE LARGER STORMS yadda yadday yiddi..

Perhaps in Big Als mind its storming but alas NOWHERE else..
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Here is an interesting natural phenomenon that could be an influence in oceanic oscillations and might be a mechanism for the transport of Trenberth's missing heat to the deep. Of course it could also be interpreted as a previously under appreciated negative feedback that helps keep atmospheric and SS temps moderate in the face of rapid intense forcings. I'm surprised some of you guys aren't all over this.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/518416/black-hole-analogue-discovered

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:20am PT
OK Ed. So i also assume that climate change has an impact on the lack of extreme weather events of 2013, excepting of course the extreme cold spells most pronounced by the historically late northern mid to high lattitudes late spring?
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