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moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Dec 22, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
Climate Change skeptics, eh?

Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
POLITICS 21 DECEMBER 13 by DUNCAN GEERE

An extensive study into the financial networks that support groups denying the science behind climate change and opposing political action has found a vast, secretive web of think tanks and industry associations, bankrolled by conservative billionaires.

[]...a network of 91 think tanks and industry groups are primarily responsible for conservative opposition to climate policy. Almost 80 percent of these groups are registered as charitable organisations for tax purposes, and collectively received more than seven billion dollars between 2003 and 2010.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-12/21/denial?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
Base,they do not care about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology ,but thanks for trying to hammer it home.


EDIT:6FT,175 LBS,since 78.You are so easy to incite.



Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
Holy crap, I've found a connection to make with Chuffie! It's Christmas, there's hope! More on that later.

Bruce, the irrational comes from fear due to ignorance absolutely through no fault of their own. Where's your empathy?

Chuff, the ONLY reason so many of us tout technology is because many of us are counting on tech saving our asses because we've screwed everything up so bad. You can gripe about underground injection but it's a useful technology as is incineration for some nasty wastes that are very difficult to get rid of. Nevermind, the point is, is we need to stop or reduce producing such waste in the first place. So, in summary, I'm really counting on alien intervention because all we've got is tech and that's scary. But we're still trying.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Utopian!
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
No, dumbass, it's all we have. Industrial activity got us in this mess. Now, what else do we have available to fix it? Solutions provided through technological advances. Duh!
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Got it.


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Whoa, okay Bruce. I'm with you. No quarter for boneheadedness.

Chumphly, you're beyond hope. Have fun inhaling motorhead fumes while you continue on your dimwitted path. Something has made you very close-minded.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
But a smart Utopian indeed.
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
wilbeer, I am rather partial to Rundgren.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
City in my head,and so am I.

EDIT:I have drifted
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Chumph, I've ridden rice rockets and a Harley on AZ highways and loved it. I almost bought a bike once but saner thoughts prevailed. For someone into motorbikes, I'm surprised you don't have a higher appreciation for tech. You seem to stop at the cc level. What up with that?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
I hear ya Wilbeer-the same lecture over and over.

Talk about a single track narrow mind- old Freud has been here forever and never bothered to learn a damn thing about the science. He prefers to follow the chicken little cowards with blinders and a muffler wrapped ear to ear around his thick skull so reality never has a possibility of intruding into his illusory world of smug self righteousness.

Follow old Freud to your own peril Mimi, or take some time to learn some of the science before you condemn others for ignorance.

Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Chumph, you're the kind of guy I'd have punched in the stomach. And you'd have liked it.

Not that I have to explain myself to you but I'm trying to break ground here. I drove around 90 on the Harley on I10 from Tucson to Tempe after a Beanfest. Have pictures of that ride. Not very fast in the city on Desert Frank's Yamaha, maybe around 50. No helmet in town but we wore them on the highway.

Not sure what you mean by pretending to climb?

Rick, give me a few minutes to read your posts. Not sure what you're getting at yet.
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Not meaning to belittle at all in that instance. Don't be so defensive.

There was no helmet law so we elected to wear them when we thought it prudent, same as climbing. We were young and stupid. I believed at the time if you screwed up, a helmet wouldn't matter.

Not knowing your definition of pretending to climb, I had to ask.

If you're going to post graphs and challenge data, I can see how you'd get lost in the weeds.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
A year ago you couldn't even spell carpenter and now you is one, ha Freud? It's Biscuit you idiot.

21,000 posts and Happy New Year
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
The difference comes where I acknowledge my limitations while you ignore yours and assume that others far superior to your own are inferior to you.
classic Dunning Kruger

Ignorance is not knowing the facts
Stupidity is denying the facts
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
But that's the problem. Education is lacking so people don't understand.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Assuming you have expertise in a field that you know nothing about is hubris plain & simple.

A reasonable man knows his limitations, even if he doesn't know the exact boundaries.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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