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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Do not believe in any religion, PHOOOOOLE. Not one.



BUT, I do have faith in the laws that are in place that run the big show.


"The Truth".


Werner gets it.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:04am PT
What a cop out.

You can 't bother to learn even the most basic math and science concepts listed above yet you still opine on them.


You're just another willfully ignorant, illiterate, dumbass who can't keep his big fat mouth shut. F*#k you.

raymond phule

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:04am PT
So you are a religious nutcase that believe in some supernatural laws (probably libertarian) about the universe.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:04am PT


BUT, I do have faith in the laws that are in place that run the big show.


"The Truth".


I.e., "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH."

Fukk you.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:08am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


So says the PUBLICLY OPEN ORIFICE BAGLADY...... Again and Again!
raymond phule

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:10am PT
The chief, i did of course know that you and your peers believe in the "truth" that climate change is not man made. It is the only thing you claim over and over and it is obvious that your only arguments are that you "know" that it can't happen. The data from the world and the science doesn't matter at all for you because you already know the "truth".
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:19am PT
The cheif let me simplify.

The graph you posted very obviously does not support your conclusion.

BUT, I do have faith in the laws that are in place that run the big show.

OOOKAYYY that's nice. Not sure what you are getting at though. Do you think there is some law that assures man cannot cause global warming? Or reverse it if man causes it?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:33am PT
The Queef wrote:
there is no turning back and earth will end up in a situ identical to Venus via the Runaway Greenhouse Effect.

NO scientist who knows anything about anything would EVER say that. And only a willfully ignorant fukwad could ever imagine they would.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:40am PT
I see "the collective" here has made a resurgence. Even old Ed, who i don't want to piss off to badly since i hope to recruit him for inconsequential, obscure, untrodden, adventure climbs in the big void, has shaken the embarassment of realization of ideological tainting to rejoin this futile battle.

The problem with you hotheads and your cult of doom (besides the obvious fact that observations do not match the tales of calamity you spin) is that you are one dimensional, veritable flat earthers, unable to grasp the multiplicity of dynamics of the higher states of order governing life and it's evolution on this earth. You've taken a single physical effect, the ability of the CO2 molecule to intercept radiant energy of a narrow bandwidth and then reradiate 6-8% earthwards to trigger all sorts of hypothesized positive feedbacks to create an artificial, ever escalating loop of doom. In your flat earth modeling negative feedbacks are given short consideration if considered at all, little valuation is given to solar variation and it's myriad of direct and amplified effects, the cause and effects of oceanic currents and turnover are little understood. little consideration is given to earths lifeforms and their abilities to regulate climate somewhat as a thermostat.Etc, etc., etc.

When will you guys get your heads out of your asses to face the light of day?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Hey Rick. No doubt there many other complex mechanisms that tend to buffer the effect of CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

My concern is that those buffers have limits. Unknown limits. We have a pretty interesting experiment going on here. Testing those limits in ways we have no similar historical data for.

A decade or so of buffering does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. I hope the buffering is very robust but suspect that instead it is being stretched to the limit and about to burst. As most buffering systems I am familiar with will do if pushed too hard.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 10:46am PT
It is interesting how the people that is the most closed minded once all the time claim that it is everyone else that is closed minded. Projection?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Ed,,, the temps WERE rising with the CO2 but havent for some time. We shouldnt forget that wee detail.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Mono what comes FIRST,,, SURFACE temps or oceanic depth temps...?

Ill answer that ALL temps start at the "surface"... Now if LAND temps havent gone up well~~.....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 5, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
Yah Mono so try and tell me that the heat rise is ONLY over oceans now...(OR LACK thereof)...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 5, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
What do YOU think caused the "pause" in temps?? If CO2 has increased at a regular level, the temps should have also increased but they havent. So is this man made spike in CO2 solely responsible? Seems to me it CANT be.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 5, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
You can gaze at that wonderful image of a far away galaxy...

Fact is EDH, M31, the galaxy I posted, can actually be seen with the naked eye. That is if you do not live in the jungle of light polluted city.

It is located directly in between third northern star of Casopia and the quarter northern portion of Andromeda. A good trained eye can truly make out the spiral cloud. Between 2100 and 2200 right now this time of year is perfect viewing.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 5, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Granted ED, but how do we know when a new direction in that shift will or is occurring through natural means? Seems weve studied the man made elements extensively. Yet the EPA says cutting out all the coal power plants will have ZERO effects on the CO2 output. All the fuss over CO2 which is increased in green houses across america to enhance growth of flora.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 04:05pm PT

Yet the EPA says cutting out all the coal power plants will have ZERO effects on the CO2 output.

I would really like to see a direct quote of that claim.

What really do you believe that they said in that article? That the release of less CO2 would result in the same release of CO2 or something without logic like that?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 5, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
Rong:
Yet the EPA says cutting out all the coal power plants will have ZERO effects on the CO2 output.

Ray:
I would really like to see a direct quote of that claim.

Hahaaa... yeah, good luck with that. I assure you it was a misunderstanding stemming directly from the ignorance of the interpreter... who regurgitated the bullshit interpretation to Rong.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
No, I remember that article but cant remember the details. I am sure that all or at least most of the misunderstandings in this case is fully ron's own.

I believe that EPA said that it would be no real difference in CO2 release with some new rules in regard to coal plants. The reason where probably that the new rules didn't make it attractive to change to better coal power plants so that the rules would change nothing.

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