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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 14, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
From Ricks link~


Paper finds lifetime of CO2 in atmosphere is only 5.4 years
A paper presented at the SEVENTEENTH SYMPOSIUM ON THERMOPHYSICAL PROPERTIES finds that the lifetime and residence time of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere are only about 5.4 years, far less than assumed by the IPCC. The paper corroborates prior work by Salby, Humlum et al, Frölicher et al, Cho et al, Calder et al, Francey etl, Ahlbeck, Pettersson, Spencer, Segalstad, and others which has demonstrated that man-made CO2 is not the primary driver of atmospheric CO2.

Fossil Fuel Emissions and Fossil CO2 in the Atmosphere

Luciano Lepori S, Gian Carlo Bussolino, Andrea Spanedda and Enrico Matteoli C
IPCF-CNR, Pisa, Italy
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
KAMN
So go and kill a bunch of kids, set some poison for the creatures around your house. Hell, set fire to a forest. Who cares. Everybody is going to die anyway, why not just have your fun while you're here. Right?

Negative. Not atal.

This.... Do the best you can as an individual to reduce your personal impact on the world around you and go enjoy your life without infringing or hurting anyone else. Just as these incredibly strong willed and happy folks on this island have for the past 120 something years.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
Humanism is a religion

Bingo whiner Craig.

And it is absolutely no different or better that Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc etc etc.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Do the best you can as an individual to reduce your personal impact on the world around you and go enjoy your life without infringing or hurting anyone else.


That's a great way to look at things, and I applaud those with this attitude.

However, it takes massive amounts of energy to manufacture those motorcycles in your video (as well as other durable goods). Where do we get the electricity for such things? Coal, FF, nuclear.

The people of Japan might want to reduce their personal impact on their surroundings, but if the Japanese government decides that they'll use nuclear energy as a means, then those same Japanese who want to reduce their impact don't have much say in the outcome of things like Fukushima. They just want to cook some dinner, maybe with an electric rice cooker. Meanwhile, the electricity they use to cook with is from a power source that has a huge impact on many, many people.

My point? The governments of the world have an obligation to respect the people and other living things on the Earth, and that includes being very careful with how their corporations treat the environment.

We found that DDT wasn't as good as originally thought. With that, we did the right thing. Now, it's time we did the right thing with regards to how we produce, and use electricity, energy used for transportation, and other things that severely harm our environment.

We can no longer treat Mother Earth like Keith Moon treated a hotel room. There are no other "rooms" available to us.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
K MAN,That is well said.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
However, it takes massive amounts of energy to manufacture those motorcycles in your video

No where near as much as it takes to manu the millions of computers such as the one you are currently using nor the vehicle/s you drive daily, or heater to warm you home and water to wash your ass, the refrige etc etc ....

Unless of course you live in a cave and ride a mule.

Is that what you currently do KMAN?? Cus if you don't then you have absolutely no room to whine.


Craign Fry:

Your wife and son love you.... move along.

WELBER:

You still have yet to define ....

EVER


Within the context of the rest of the history of this planet that has not been recorded by humans.


1850 and before.


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/14/if-all-you-see-890/

Doesn't Ed have (did have) one of these?



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
How do you get to work?

(I ride an 82 Schwinn)

Where do you get your produce from?

(mine comes form the back yard)

Physician,

heal thyself!

Like I said over and over
Only the Governments can make the changes necessary to mitigate GCC

Facist statists always want to promulgate rules for everyone else.

(of course the princely class must be exempted)

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
I ride a bike because it keeps the old knees from freezing up and it feels good.

I grow as much of my own produce as practicable because it tastes better.

AGW has nothing to do with it.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
All you doomists out there- just keep talking the talk and letting Europe walk the walk for a bright future. Open the link below for an interesting policy result discussion. Click on green energy damaging Europes competitiveness.

http://www.thegwpf.org/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 14, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
The cry of the fascist statist;

Do as I say,

Not as I do
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 14, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Chef,you are defending science by bringing up the past. I defined that "ever"statement in my last post. Thats right recorded time.
How do you know it was warmer then ?
You point to science,for the answers.Funny you and your ilk do not point to todays science when confronted.
Do you know what kind of science we find climate/temperature imbalance/balance of prehistoric[look up prehistoric]time. It is called GEOLOGY. The info you are farming comes from study of rocks,fossils,sedimentation and chemical content.Ardent work done by teams of scientists.
Even right wing blogs cant make the stuff up.

Are we certain of these events? The denieosphere claims there was not enough people around to record/observe the events.But we are certain.Through the study of rocks.

So thanks for backing science even if you did not know it.

Back to the truth of the matter,2012 was the hottest year ever recorded.

Just as the GW crew has said for 30 years ,it is going to get hotter.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
My million of tons of Green house gas reduction doesn't compare to your couple of pounds?!!!!

You did not "personally" do that yourself Craig you lying pathetic sac of Liberal Facism.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
^^^^^^ He (Benny Peiser) is a social anthropologist, PhD.... Nothing more or less than what Larry Hamilton is. Chiloe. NEITHER are a climate scientist.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
"Peer Review Science" by whom???

The Consensus that will never notate any objection to counter, go against nor defuse the proliferation of the bullshet MMGW propaganda.

Right.


Welber
Do you know what kind of science we find climate/temperature imbalance/balance of prehistoric[look up prehistoric]time. It is called GEOLOGY. The info you are farming comes from study of rocks,fossils,sedimentation and chemical content.Ardent work done by teams of scientists.

Thus yur use of the verbiage "EVER" is just another amongst many ploys to proliferate the bullshet. Thanks for admitting that WELBER.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
How much do you pay per month for your electricity bill?
less than $25?


BIG FATASS ZERO stooge Craig. And I get a kickback (for returning power back to the Grid) check every quarter from Edison.

Belong a the community Solar program.

HAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA!


Sewage ..... SEPTIC

Water... MY OWN PRIVATE WELL.

Trash... Haul it myself to the dump that is five minutes away.


Next!
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
Cmac allows it because it increases his hit count; which is a metric advertisers use.
If the advertisers actually looked at this thread, they should boycott supertopo.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
"Peer Review Science" by whom???

The Consensus that will never notate any objection to counter, go against nor defuse the proliferation of the bullshet MMGW propaganda.

Holeee Gobshite! Jaw-droppingly obtuse.

Ever published one thing in a peer-reviewed journal? Ever even tried to conduct one single scientific experiment? Just one. The only thing harder than trying to get you to understand the scientific process is trying to get a paper through a peer review cycle that likely consists of at least one of our direct competitors.

You should really abandon this this thread now. You have absolutely zero credibility.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
Do you see the one who backs science when he needs to,but refuses to believe data.
Credit: wilbeer
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 14, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Nice Pic Welber.^^^^^^^

Got them dudes up and down T-Bolt, Starlight, N-Pal, Polemonium and Jepson safely all in four days.


I said my CFP is low

Bullshet.

You power yur home from the grid, you suck water from the city and your sewage is treated by the city. Probably got weekly trash pick up as well.

Huh Craig.

No different than all those in your OC neighborhood. No different. Craig.

You drive your FF burning Tacoma to and from work daily.

LOW??

Bullshet.
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