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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 15, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Went out to breakfast with the wife this am. Unrolled the sunday paper and what do I see; " Ocean acidification destroying the ecosystem at an alarming rate". The catastrophe folk first were all over the disaster of "global warming", which subtly morphed to "climate change" when the lack of warming was noted, before public awareness, by the scientific community. Now the dreaded weather extremes have failed to materialize regardless of the extreme hype job of the compliant media and the IPCC is about to implode. So what happens, well the weather wieners are moving offshore and calling for huge funding increases to study, then offset, this looming disaster via- you guessed it- severe fossil fuel use reductions, more funding for wind and solar, and of course carbon taxation. These guys have more heads than the hydra and refuse to give up on their socialist engineering schemes.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 15, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
All your examples are indicative of the phase change to global cooling. Now where are the permanent droughts, the more powerful and more frequent twisters, the more powerful and more frequent hurricanes, the heat wave records far outpacing new cold records, the ice free arctic by 2013, the continental ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland sliding up out of their basins and to the sea, the more frequent mega floods, etc. etc.

You guys are not going to get away with claiming the global cooling symptoms as CO2 warming induced climate change that manifests as weather conditions creating more severe winters and increased glaciation.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 15, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Yes,, how will they mash the CO2 gravy up into this dilemma?

But have you heard Rick,, that the war is Syria was also caused by Global NON warming?


And that Americans are getting phatter due to global NON warming?

Annnd, my tire was flat yesterday also due to global non warming.

Hollywood will blame global non warming for the next scathing reviews of movies as well ..

And global non warming is certainly at play in the Miley Cirus episode of public debauchery. I think she had been breathing in NOTHING but C02 for like an hour straight...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 15, 2013 - 05:59pm PT

FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM

Sep 15, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Fuk U Rick. You wrote:

Now the dreaded weather extremes have failed to materialize

The fact is, you talk outta your cornhole. Are you a lawyer? Are your mouth and a55hole interchangeable? No? Then shut the fuk up.

Moron





ohhhwwgooody,^^^^^^^^^^^, another wannabe hedge,, just what we ( sigh) need...

And here we were trying to get a gentler groove going here this am..

i fart in yur general direction..(methane)...
dirtbag

climber
Sep 15, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
^^^^^^oh, that extreme weather^^^^^^
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 15, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
I suggest FRONTALOBOTOBME that you build or purchase one of these. Cus at the rate you are creating your own global weather holocaust, you are going to end up burying yourself from all the self induced fear and paranoia.




Holy mother of god you are one scared puppy afraid of it's own shadow. I can only imagine what life with you at home is like.....

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... Global Warming is going to get us. Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide. Hiiiiiiiiiide.




Record wildfires across the West

Sorry. Not.

Second Slowest Fire Season On Record.

http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

Tornados in January, for fux sake.

Nope. Nothing rare about em. Nothing. They DO occur in January.



http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html


Rare giant tornados
Nope. They happen as well.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.html

Front Range Flooding

Again... NOTHING NEW!
Serious floods have affected downtown Boulder in 1894, 1896, 1906, 1909, 1916, 1921, 1938, and 1969 with the worst being those of May 31-June 2, 1894 and May 7, 1969. The flood of 1969 was the result of four days of almost continuous rainfall (11.27” measured in Morrison and 9.34” at the Boulder Hydroelectric Plant three miles up Boulder Canyon from town). There was one death reported and “many thousands of dollars” worth of damage including two bridge wash outs. The flood of 1894 was considerably worse with many causalities although no specific number of fatalities has ever been determined. A brief account of the flood appears on the “Front Range Flood Histories” web site: "In the Left-hand Creek basin to the north of Four Mile Canyon Creek, the mountain towns, mining camps and upstream canyons of the area were perhaps the most severely affected by the 1894 flood. Most were virtually wiped off the map.....Left-hand Canyon areas sustained heavy damages. All bridges were washed out and roads obliterated. Sheriff Dyer stated that Left-hand Creek was over a half mile wide in places and that the farms along that creek were piled knee high with debris and sand....8.54 inches of rain from May 30 through June 1 was reported in Ward.” The estimated water flow on Boulder Creek at 4th Street was 11,000-13,500 cfs (cubic feet per second).
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=194


I would continue debunking your fable self induced hysteria but the one's above will do.


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
The European Space Agency has had a satellite up for a couple of years now, and it measures ice. It is called "CRYOSAT."

You can go to their site and look at the data that they are getting.

It is showing that the loss of northern polar ice is a loss in volume. Not just in area. The dataset is so short that it probably isn't meaningful yet, but the data is the data....

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/CryoSat/CryoSat_reveals_major_loss_of_Arctic_sea_ice

The Chief: Where are your satellites showing otherwise? I know that the right wingers don't like science, or at least the religious ones.

Just watch this all play out. In our lifetimes it probably will be modest, but if we start tickling Cretaceous CO2 levels, we will be playing with fire.

One thing confuses me. During the cold war, we (and the Russians) were willing to spend huge amounts of money on defense. We didn't know if a war was coming. We were just looking at the possibility.

So here we have something that is more than just a possibility, yet an entire political group has made it their mission to deny. Facts and numbers? Blah! We make up our own facts, and misinterpret your numbers.

OK. I'm going to go post on a climbing thread. I can only stand so much of this thread.

Have fun. Please tone down the insults. This is a family friendly website.

edit: I think that it is true that people are constantly trying to correlate a simple weather event to climate change. We need a long dataset to see it.

What you guys don't get about global warming is this: It is just starting to show, and it isn't going to happen quickly in human terms. It WILL happen quickly in geologic time terms.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
EXACTLY BASE.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
BASE:
What you guys don't get about global warming is this: It is just starting to show,

Compared to what BASE????


Please cite a peer rev'd established base line of weather events to back your statement.

This PhD dude has done one and has found no such thing. None.
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Sorry Base but there has been a significant recovery THIS year in arctic sea ice coverage. There are comparison pics back up thread a ways.


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Missing photo ID#320291
here it is..^^
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
It WAS a possibility Base. The problem is that they overhyped nightmare scenarios, none of which materialized and now the natural cycles of climate change are drowning out the modest rise from increased CO2. We may well be in for a period of cooling with the quiet sun of cycle 24 and forecasts for 25, the PDO in negative phase and indications that atlantic oscillations are following suit, increased reflective aerosols, etc. Yes, your correct Cryosat short duration does not allow much for calling a trend. Don't you think that long before we get to Cretaceous CO2 levels we will have moved on to economically viable alternatives?

Mentalcase, I sense your frustration at the cult of doom you embraced slipping from your grasp. Don't worry their will be a comet or something coming along that you can attach to like the Raelians to Kahotek.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
yada ,yada ,yada .
dirtbag

climber
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
^^^Exactly^^^^^

Ron, Rick, and Chief Moooobs don't give a crap about facts or learning.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
RICK S
natural cycles of climate change


Sums up this entire waste of time loon of hysteria by the few who want nothing but their Political Ideological Agenda to rule.

Fact is, your "Parties" globally are being booted. Gone. The people do not want any more of your MMGW fear propaganda.



DIRTBAG:

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Did you post something??




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Oh. Noise as usual. Got it. As she runs from the puking dude on top of her.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
We just gave you SEVERAL facts, that garnered nary a comment other than Yaddi yaddi yaddi...


soooo,,, yaddi yaddi yaddi times TEN...
dirtbag

climber
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Stick to jackalope stuffing...
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Run DIRTBAG RUN..... Don't let any of that puke hit ya.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
ALLRILEDUP
Conservative never think this way

PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST

I aint nor have I ever been a "Conservative".


Never.



Been a registered Independent my entire adult voting life.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 15, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
Ill just inform you,, its been about THIRTY years since i did a "jackelope"..

But i have done,,: Ardwolf, Grey Wolf, Mt Lion, Bobcat, Leopard, Brown bears, Black bears, Grizzly bears, Crocodile, Elephant, Giraffe, Zebra, Kudu, Eland, Dik Dik, Duikers, Grysbok, Reabok, Beaver, Mink, Otter, Wolverine, Grey Fox, Red Fox, Kit Fox, NA Antelope, Elk, Desert Bighorn, Cal Bighorn, Coyote, and about another couple of hundred specimens, and about 600 bird species, and about fifty fish species.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 15, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Yes, your correct Cryosat short duration does not allow much for calling a trend.

One thing Cryosat has already done is to substantially confirm, using independent instruments and methods, the Arctic sea volume estimates produced by PIOMAS. And PIOMAS definitely shows a trend. For example, here are volume estimates for August 31, 1979 to 2013, which have declined at an average rate of 330 cubic kilometers per year.

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