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Mimi

climber
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
"Based on Nye's graphic representation CO2 is up near 500 ppm. Is that accurate?"

We visited the Birch-Scripps Aquarium after the Woodson Fest in 2010. There was a dedicated global warming exhibit which reported 300 ppm CO2 levels in the atmosphere and an all-time record. I have to keep up with the EPA regs (40 CFR parts 98 and 1065) but haven't looked up the latest ppm. If it's now being reported to be 500 ppm, there are questions to be asked. It could be a data quality or instrumentation improvement rather than such a significant spike like that. Maybe Ed or BASE can elaborate.

Recent reports of reduction of CO2 emissions don't mean that the concentration is dropping. We're seeing paper change reductions more than actual ones in other words. This always happens when measuring chemicals in the environment. There's also a lag from a feedback standpoint besides the calculations getting better. Like all of these parameters; 100 years to correct the problem in order to achieve a certain CO2 decrease, 1000 years for 1 degree water temp increase, etc., or something like that.

That's where the scrubbers come in. If we really have that much of an impact with such a rapid result, why aren't we doing it?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Scrubbers at power plants seem like a reasonable idea.

Extracting CO2 from the atmosphere on a planetary scale seems like a very hard problem.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:05pm PT


found in 3 seconds by googling CO2 hawaii
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
Did it make an important difference, TGT?
Mimi

climber
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
Chumphy, I never said all time high. Everyone knows that the Earth has had at least as high or higher a CO2 level as now. We've even had a reduced atmosphere. Much like the inside of your head. So what's your point, buttbrain?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Chumphly, why do you insist on being such a terminal morain, rather than something higher up the hill?
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:27am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxGgnI6kCrs
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Which of course means, in Chief logic, that man can't cause climate change.,
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:03am PT
Chudly, I'm going to try to tame the beast and reason with you. It comes down to us knowing that we have dramatically increased the CO2 level. Can we agree on this fundamental fact? It doesn't matter if it's happened before. Things are different now. The unknown ramifications are the problem. We can only speculate what may result. I hope we don't trigger another ice age. I'd much rather sea level rise than Manhattan under a mile of ice.
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:09am PT
What about the droughts? Wars are already being fought over water.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Yeah Eeeee Deee Aitch, what are you going to do about water 100 years from now, huh??? HUH????

I told you your pathetic science will fail.

Nice....

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:10am PT
News flash the chief, deserts aren't devastation.

DMT
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:19am PT
Comic relief? I can help with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Cadillac Desert the chief. Read it. Learn it.

Bet you Eeee Deee Aitch has....

DMT
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:24am PT
Ed, i think you lost the deniers some 100 years ago.

Admire your dedication!

;)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:29am PT
They've all read it brough. Chiloe, fortmental, others; all read it.

Sorry to break it to you

DMT
Mimi

climber
Dec 24, 2013 - 01:30am PT
Chudly, this is where AGW really hits the skids IMO thanks to Algore hysteria especially. I think you're trying to say that current weather isn't climate. The media loves Algore sensationalism, not us. The models are archaic. But anyone with any sense will agree that the carbon cycle is critically important and ocean acidification is a real problem.
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