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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
"Assuming you have expertise in a field that you know nothing about is hubris plain & simple."

If Joe plumber can fix his old Chev, and he boasts that he could fix a helicopter if he wanted to, how would you describe that?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2013 - 11:38am PT
a pretty cool short that explains where we are with this stuff.


http://www.upworthy.com/bill-nye-is-too-busy-saving-the-world-to-say-i-told-you-so



Bill Nye breaks it down so that people with open minds can understand what's going on. Folks with closed minds? Can't help them...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
And people with closed minds seem to always find some little schtick that justifies their inability to reason.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Dec 23, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
^^being humble is communist/weak to those with such strong minds and conviction.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
k-man it seems reasonable to assume that if the alarmists had a monopoly on reasoning that they wouldn't be taking such a beating on predictions, or should i say modeled projections , versus observed reality. It's been a very bad year for you dead enders.I guess one would have to admire the tenacity of this movement, that is if their agenda wasn't so dangerous.

Bruce says he is going to reduce my dangerous incompetency to simple incompetency. Quite a delusion of grandeur coming from mr. ethics.

Anyway, off on a jet plane, but don't worry it will be a crowded sardine can so the carbon footprint will be somewhat diluted.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
link: Millions in Dark Money Funding Climate Change Denial
“It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”

Using IRS data from 2003-2010, Brulle identified 91 CCCM organizations including advocacy groups, think tanks, and trade associations who accumulated over $7 billion in total income over the eight year period, with an annual average income exceeding $900 million.

Further, the vast majority of the groups—78 percent—were registered as charitable organizations and enjoyed considerable tax breaks.


The Chief, how much money do they pay you to act like an imbecile?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Nice KMAN. The dude [Bill Nye] isn't even a "scientist".


So, I suppose that means you can refute something he said in the video of him I posted.


Besides attacking his character, got anything of merit? Or, are you just playing the fool again.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 23, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
“It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”

I have maintained this all along,K-man.Not only do we pay for research, we pay to fight it though tax breaks to denier groups and paying inflated fuel prices across the board.

They have a nice monopoly figured out .

Great examples of their coattails are on display right here on your thread.

The sad thing is ,money will win.


kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 23, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Millions in Dark Money Funding Climate Change Denial
“It is not just a couple of rogue individuals doing this. This is a large-scale political effort.”

Hopefully this guy will shift the balance a bit:


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-steyer-20131222,0,6539543.story

Tom Steyer may be liberals' answer to the Koch brothers

The California billionaire is building a vast political network and inserting himself into elections nationwide, with a focus on fossil fuels and global warming.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 23, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
Dark Money lol. I knew the Chief was channeling SOMETHING!

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 23, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
TFPU,kunlun,I would like to be optimistic.

But it is raining.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/23/if-all-you-see-989/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 23, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
" maybe you aren't so interested in discussing science..."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Can you with a really good spectrophotometer on a satellite, detect and quantify man made terrestrial CO2 sources?

(no cheating and going for the heat! 15um CO2 spectra only!)

What kind of sensitivity do you need to do that?

PPC?

PPK?

PPM?

PPB?

More Girls!

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/22/if-all-you-see-988/
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Why do you need to? Do power plants hide? Is oil, natural gas and coal consumption a secret?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Dec 23, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Looks like another normal winter has exposed the myth of
global warming for another year.

Record snow cover and record CO2 vomiting up into the air as Warmists'
hypocritically burn the evil fossil fuels to stay warm?





TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
I'm betting you can't detect them without an exquisitely sensitive piece of instrumentation and that the CO2 IR band for Downtown LA looks just like Joshua Tree.

A planet wide image will be monotonously the same shade, except down wind from active volcanoes.

Why?

Absorption to extinction happens in about 150-130 feet at present CO2 levels.

All a doubling of CO2 will do is lower that point. Overall heat balance of the planet doesn't change.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
And still the temps go up, Dave.

Mimi

climber
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
"Based on Nye's graphic representation CO2 is up near 500 ppm. Is that accurate?"

We visited the Birch-Scripps Aquarium after the Woodson Fest in 2010. There was a dedicated global warming exhibit which reported 300 ppm CO2 levels in the atmosphere and an all-time record. I have to keep up with the EPA regs (40 CFR parts 98 and 1065) but haven't looked up the latest ppm. If it's now being reported to be 500 ppm, there are questions to be asked. It could be a data quality or instrumentation improvement rather than such a significant spike like that. Maybe Ed or BASE can elaborate.

Recent reports of reduction of CO2 emissions don't mean that the concentration is dropping. We're seeing paper change reductions more than actual ones in other words. This always happens when measuring chemicals in the environment. There's also a lag from a feedback standpoint besides the calculations getting better. Like all of these parameters; 100 years to correct the problem in order to achieve a certain CO2 decrease, 1000 years for 1 degree water temp increase, etc., or something like that.

That's where the scrubbers come in. If we really have that much of an impact with such a rapid result, why aren't we doing it?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
Scrubbers at power plants seem like a reasonable idea.

Extracting CO2 from the atmosphere on a planetary scale seems like a very hard problem.
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