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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 19, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
I'll give you the benefit of doubt Ed and subscribe your lack of real world observations to direction bias from being in the grips of the mass hysteria movement that is CAGW. You said, "the temps did not decrease for decades". Look again at the GISS 1999 graph posted by The Chief and you'll see a decline into the 1970's and then a sudden rise upwards. Other graphs show the pronounced spike of the super El Nino of 1998. Now, what this 1999 graph and many other unaltered temp reconstructions show clearly is that their is no linear increase of temps following increased atmospheric CO2 content. Rather, the global climate responds both immediately and in varying degrees of delayed action to the overpowering forcings of solar maximas and oceanic oscillations. We have now entered a prolonged period of global mean average temp stagnation and solar activity and oceanic oscillations point to the distinct possibility of a pronounced and prolonged cooling period. Sure, their will be localized hot and cold spots, perhaps even more pronounced in the near future from the sharp phase transition we are in, but as the global mean temperature flatline or actual decline of the last dozen years, the prolonged northern hemisphere winter of 2013,the severe European winters of the last 3 years, the recovering sea ice, the distinct polar cooling, the distinct overall u.s. summer 2013 cooling (twice as many cool records versus warm records this year), the growing antartic sea ice and down trending continental temps show, the CO2 forcing is very feeble compared to natural variation.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 19, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Just like the old adage about thinking everyone else is insane, you might try looking in the mirror regarding the intelligence of your detractors...

No moron. I don't need to look into any mirror cus I have a grasp on what is going on throughout this planet. I partook in it for over 24 years. Lived and breathed it day in and day out.

Unlike you obviously secluded spoiled ass "I-Phone" addicted supposedly educated Scientism Amerikans, I have experienced the realities of this entire planet and know there are far bigger fish to fry before we even think about the climate and how it may impact the future of our species.

Until we start fixing the multitude of issues that face us today, it don't matter how hot or wet or dry it is going to get. Cus we are going to terminate ourselves and we will be long gone before that becomes a REAL issue if we don't.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



Chief knows everything. Just ask him!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 19, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
I know not to waste my time trying to do you. It is obvious you want everyone to know that you suck and are looser than. Never mind.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 19, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
And this one, NEVER went to "School"

That's quite an uninformed post re. H.H. the Dalai Lama.

from http://hhdl.dharmakara.net/hhdlbiography.html

The Dalai Lama's education as a Buddhist monk began in earnest when
he was six. **After eighteen years of intense study, he graduated with the
equivalent of a Ph.D in Buddhist metaphysics**. It was granted after a
three-month oral examination in public before thousands of monks and scholars.

In 1958 he took preliminary examinations at each of the three monastic
universities, Drepung, Sera and Ganden. The final examination was held in
1959 at the Jokhang Temple in Lhasa. That morning, the young scholar was
examined by 30 scholars of logic. In the afternoon, he debated Buddhist philosophy
with 15 scholars, and in the evening, 35 more scholars tested
his knowledge of the canon of monastic discipline and metaphysics.

The Dalai Lama passed with honours, attaining the highest academic degree
of Geshe Lharampa, while under intense political pressure from the Chinese to
capitulate to their demands to take over Tibet.

and http://www.dalailama.com/biography/a-brief-biography

His Holiness began his monastic education at the age of six. The
curriculum consisted of five major and five minor subjects. The major
subjects were logic, Tibetan art and culture, Sanskrit, medicine, and
Buddhist philosophy which was further divided into a further five
categories: Prajnaparimita, the perfection of wisdom; Madhyamika, the
philosophy of the middle Way; Vinaya, the canon of monastic discipline;
Abidharma, metaphysics; and Pramana, logic and epistemology. The five
minor subjects were poetry, music and drama, astrology, composition and
phrasing, and synonyms. At 23, His Holiness sat for his final examination
in Lhasa’s Jokhang Temple, during the annual Monlam (prayer) Festival in
1959. He passed with honors and was awarded the Geshe Lharampa degree, the
highest-level degree, equivalent to a doctorate of Buddhist philosophy.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
kunlun_shan:
After eighteen years of intense study, he graduated with the equivalent of a Ph.D in Buddhist metaphysics

Hmmmmm. According to 100% of these Scientism dudes here, DRF etal, that there would equate to absolute horseshet fairy tale believing.

In other words, useless.

TO them that is.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
seems to me..... Rick you preface just about everything you say with "seems to me" which I think offers a hint to you own confidence in your capabilities to determine anything. A good example is the apparent importance you place in the supposed global cooling scare event in the eighties. You know full we'll that the hypothesis died a quick death in the science arena and the only impact it ever had was as a media generated and now a constantly resurrected from the dead bugaboo by right wing tools such as yourself.

You know this full well just like you know full we'll that you are still shitting in your own diapers every time you claim to understand that mound of climate science papers your wife hates so much.

Seems to me your an intellectual coward and a charlatan.

At least chuff has the honesty to acknowledge that he is a real idiot without any pretences.

Case in point.... Chuff fuks up the page again, and is proud of it!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Didn't the Dalai Llama get run out of Tibet by atheists? Aren't these the same type of people, by and large, who are supporting the CAGW scare in an increasingly transparent attempt to seize the freedoms and prosperity of the citizenry? What special kind of ignorance does it take to follow such fools?
dirtbag

climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Wow Rick. That's deep too.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
yes!

It IS the Atheists who are behind taking away our freedoms and liberties!

godless pagans, lepers, barfing dogs

Atheists have a secret agenda to .......um.....wait.....nevermind
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Humans are slaughtering each other in droves throughout this planet on a daily basis.

Obesity and Cancer are both killing TENS OF MILLIONS annually.

We are running out of food and water and area to actually exist on.

I see that being spokesman for the "National Retroactive Abortion Movement" is keeping The Chief busy....
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
The book examines the phenomenon of climate change denial. It looks at the many techniques of literal denial,

A sneak peek?

Intro: Why Genghis Khan Never Gave a Horses Ass About Climate Change
Chapter 1 : There Is No Climate Change
Chapter 2: Even If There Is Humans Aren't Causing It
Chapter 3: Even If Humans Are Causing It There Is Nothing Those Pathetic Earthlings Can Do To Stop It.
Chapter 4: You're All Gonna Die Anyway And Humans SUCK! Hahahahahahahahaha!
Epilogue: You All Deserve It.

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Just like CHILOE screaming to save the Natives of the North environment. When they have far bigger and devastating problems that need attention. Drug and Alcohol Abuse, 70%+ Unemployment etc.

That's yet another ignorant statement in your long list.

Academics specialize. Chiloe talking about alcoholism and unemployment in northern native communities would be akin to, well, you talking about climate change.

It's simply not your area of expertise, just like alcoholism and unemployment aren't Chiloes areas of expertise.

Yours is a flawed logic, and it leeches into your discussions of science.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself? You're making yourself seem like more of a joke to be ignored with every post you make.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Ed, More? That's SO BUZZ LIGHTYEAR!



DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Yes Norton, I thought you would appreciate that-from another thread. Actually though,it's fascists disguised as socialists wrapped in the cult of scientism for public consumption.

Fort Mental- I pioneered retroactive abortion discussion some years ago with the term " post partum abortion", its never too late. Now, if all these fools that preach deindustrialization and the concept of mankind as a disease on the body of the Earth would just practice what they preach by self curing their disease the rest of us could carry on without discord amongst each other while directing our discontent against the real enemy-big business and big government.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
It's not surprising you're a fan of that illiterate fascist ditz from Alaska.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Brandon-++
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 19, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Ed, i had people tell me to my face with ALL the confidence in the world of various things like that fabled spotted owl. They too assured me with science , that they were correct. And ive been in your shoes of trying to use science in the sivicultural sense to convince people of the right thing who in turned questioned me and my allegiance. In fact it happens i around here all the time. Im CONSTANTLY called a republican when im a registered independent. So you see you shouldnt be surprised about any of this and im sure its not the first dealings of this nature youve had.

But the latest "super fire" nonsense is JUST THAT. Every skilled professional fireman i know says the exact same thing. Why must everything now be equated to the CC agenda? Even of its PURE FOLLY? It keeps the questions going in my mind.
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