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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Of course 97-98% of the career doomists most actively publishing in the anthropogenic climate change field support the consensus that is funded by the mega bucks of the government/ NGO's/ corporate CAGW heavy industry, Edward. They find endless mitigation schemery by the hypocritical mouthful most profitable, while at the same time being responsible for much higher per capita emissions than those they seek to corral and control through behavioral modification taxation. JL said mitigation wasn't likely minus the profit motive. I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.
WBraun

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
When I was in Jakarta, Indonesia I watched 1000 guys in loincloths with straw baskets carrying dirt make their first freeway in 100 plus temperature.

They had 1 road grader.

Americans .... lazy overly spoiled stupid ass people .....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Sure Ed, but DOE is only one department of government that funding is funneled through. Missing from the budgets of multitudes of government bureacracies, providing funding to this monster, is ear marks like exposed in this article. Scroll down the article to the list- 600 million for climate change research. Now, this small contribution to climate change studies many billions in multi sourced fundings will really encourage study independent of "the consensus", wont it?

http://www.mrc.org/articles/hurricane-sandy-relief-networks-attack-gop-mention-pork-only-15-time
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Pretty weak Ed, hiding behind the skirts of legislative language and not even all of it at that.

Bruce, that Ayn Rand disciple was an ignoramus at best, the criminal of the century at worst, between is nothing i ever saw as admirable.

Chief, you need to put a backup prevention valve on your sewage line to keep the turds from climbing back out to the surface. When you flush them they should be gone, for good.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Yes, of course Chief, sometimes i forget we should never question what Bagdad Ed, Larry, Moe , and Curly have to say on this most somber subject.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:45am PT
Bruce, you should be glad we are here to entertain, ignore, and dismiss your "points". I imagine you'd be a lonely fellow if you didn't have the likes of us to laugh with and at you.

Signing off for awhile. Not taking a computer on my southwest tour starting tomorrow.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
Yep smoking crack,so I can think on your level,CHEF.

I called you on our part of mitigation,and our demand that the gov.will take care of this,you are wrong.

As for not being COMPLETELY carbon neutral,you are RIGHT.A couple of trucks is all that stands between that.

That Ducati Diesel looks to be awesome,and as far as finding Biodiesel there is a map for that on google ,it is more prevelant than you may believe.Look it up .

If you would like biodiesel to be more readily available,lets see if it would ever be subsidized.[yeah that might happen]

Part of my buisness is mitigation,installing solar.

You are FOS.






Ed ,glad you set everybody straight about funding,another thing I have contended all along.thanks.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Good morning, Rick Poedtke.
The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.

Do a google for 'rural electrification program'. It's interesting.
Here's one hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Utilities_Service
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:45am PT
What a moron you truly are GARY.

Good morning, to you, Rick Poedtke. Just thought you might find it an interesting subject. Sorry to have bothered you.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Ed Hartouni responded by essentially saying it's a factor. I'd say that's a position most skeptics would support.

None of the skeptics on this board support it. Step 1 of the 3-step shuffle. Deny deny deny.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Most all of the big dam projects out west were produced with public money that was never paid back. The electrification and irrigation of the west was funded in large part with eastern tax money.

You know, that tough western git-r-dun attitude (with someone else's money, lol lol lol)

Same as it ever was.

(same as it ever was)

Its like saying climate control science is bogus and then demanding and using and accepting as valid the answers from climate control scientists. It makes me lol.

Ed what % of the warming component comes from humans bwahahahahahahaha!

DMT
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Thanks DMT.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:25am PT
I'm glad you responded. How much % of the CO2 component of global warming is contributed by humans, if you please?

Use your own work. Don't ask Ed. Even if its (gasp!) unsupported opinion, what pray tell, is the %?

Thanks!
DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Rick Poedtke wrote:
In other words DMT, PRIVATE money and PRIVATE entities BITD.


Ah, the Free Market way.

No, nothing free market about it. You should read Cadillac Desert.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Thanks for the frank answer Sketch.

I've no idea, to return your frankness. I'm not sure I care, really, as to this % vs. that. What difference does it make?

I'm not a scientist and I don't try to play one on the internet. Do I sit at the feet of science and lap up everything tossed my way?

My pride would demand 'no' but the fact of the matter is I am typing on a computer on the internet. The hysterical (and I mean HYSTERICAL, of course) charges of hypocrisy and even fraud, lobbed daily by the chief et al, directly at chiloe and Ed H, are laughing stock material.

I lap up the fruits of science the same way a sailor on a nuclear weapons platform did and does.

So I'm content to sit it out on the sidelines, burn my JP4 and diesel, live in my woody house, and breathe. I have to go with consensus science on this one...

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Most studies involving climate change, like the great majority that Cook et al. review, are not themselves attribution research so they make no original claims about what percent of warming is due to what. The IPCC reports on the other hand have the synthesis of attribution research as one of their objectives. Here's how the IPCC AR5 (in a statement that befuddles some innumerates) summarizes the state of the art:

It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
THEY ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES!


Kindly list said alternatives.

JL
raymond phule

climber
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
I thought you had read about the same information that Chiloe gave in

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/27/global-warming-ipcc-report-humans

or did you just stop to read when you thought he lied in the title?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Well heck fire. It almost sounds like them IPCC folks are saying man caused ALL of the recent warming. Without all our anthropogenic contributions, we'd be enjoying global temperatures last seen in the 1950s.

Is that the consensus?


Except for your 1950s part, that is the "best estimate" in the IPCC AR5 consensus.

Most of the world's main scientist organizations (in the US the NAS, AAAS, AMS, ACS, AGU and so forth) have endorsed the conclusions of AR4, which was less a bit less confident and detailed; the difference reflects new research over the past 6 years. The AR4 summary:

Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.

Contrast with the AR5 summary:

It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Rick Poedtke wrote:
WTF does DAM building have to do with the fact that MOST of the US power grids are PRIVATELY/PUBLICLY Investor Owned and operated.

One excellent example is Shasta Lake Dam, built by the Federal Bureau of Reclamation.
http://www.usbr.gov/mp/ncao/

The dam's other major purpose is to generate hydroelectricity. With a hydraulic head of 330 feet (100 m), the dam is capable of generating 676 megawatts (MW) from five turbines a pair of 125 MW units and three 142 MW units. Each of the turbines is driven by a high-pressure jet of water fed by a steel penstock 15 feet (4.6 m) in diameter. Two smaller turbines generate power for operations at the dam itself. The plant serves to generate peaking power for the northern Sacramento Valley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasta_Dam

I hope that answers your question.
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