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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 25, 2013 - 12:52am PT

but the difference between you and me, rick, is that I can understand the science, you can only pick which scientist you'll believe in...

Hhmmmm!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 25, 2013 - 12:55am PT
CAPNTHEASSCOMINGOUTTAHISMOUTH
Get yer facts straight, fuknut. I didn't post the fatboy pic. I posted the little man pic.

AH, same photo series. Same Trip. No difference Punkboy. One or the other.

Haa.


Now, for the Pielke Sr deal.

A change in the AGU policy on Presenting Alternative Scientific Viewpoints


AGU_logoGuest essay by Roger A. Pielke Sr.

In the August 20 2013 issue of EOS both the AGU Statement on Climate Change [ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EO340006/pdf ] and my comment on the Statement [ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EO340007/pdf ] were published. However, I was not permitted to publish my Minority Statement in EOS, but only refer to its URL on another website.

In this post, I want to share with you the policy announced by the AGU President, Carol Finn, in two e-mails to me. I extracted the text on this subject from her e-mails to me (which were also copied to others at the AGU, so that these e-mails should be considered open communications).

First, I want to reiterate the supposed AGU policy on Forum articles in EOS from their website link http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1002/(ISSN)2324-9250/homepage/categories_of_contributions.htm. I have highlighted a specific sentence.

Forum contains thought-provoking contributions expected to stimulate further discussion, within the newspaper or as part of Eos Online Discussions. Appropriate Forum topics include current or proposed science policy, discussion related to current research in the disciplines covered by AGU (especially scientific controversies), the relationship of our science to society, or practices that affect our fields, science in general, or AGU as an organization. Commentary solely on the science reported in research journals is not appropriate.

Maximum length: 1500 words; usually figures are not included, but when they are, each counts as 400 word equivalents.

My minority statement certainly fits within this Forum framework.

However, a (new) AGU Policy that, in my view, limits scientific debate within the AGU was announced by the AGU President.

Following are the relevant extracts of e-mail text from Dr. Finnís communication to me:

As you know, Eos is the official transactions of AGU. Your draft alternative to AGUís climate position statement falls outside of an official transaction of AGU, and therefore cannot be published in Eos.

Forum articles cannot be extended commentary on a previously published Eos article, such as the report on the new climate change position statement.

Quite frankly, I am disappointed that as prestigious a professional society as the AGU, of which I have always been proud of my association, has now decided to limit the exchange of scientific perspectives within the primary medium of communication within our society (EOS).

This AGU venue of publication has now become more of an advocate for particular perspectives than a venue to advance our knowledge of science issues. While in this case, it is dealing with climate science, the issue actually goes to the core of any controversy within any subject areas that are represented by the American Geophysical Union.
R. Pielke Sr, August 20, 2013



Pretty disturbing to see more and more cases of "Science Suppression" being conducted by the "Consensus". Appears that any good science that opposes the current "Consensus" is being stifled and removed from any potential publication of sorts.

Damn honest and bias way to operate, huh?

Yeah, these "Consensus" scientist sure are a fair and honest lot.



k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 01:44am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#317634

That cracked me up ...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 01:55am PT
One of the great things with this thread is that I now have a few people that I can hold up as examples of the lunatic fringe.
I wonder if Barry would think the same.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:38am PT
KMAN
One of the great things with this thread is that I now have a few people that I can hold up as examples of the lunatic fringe.

Knock Knock


Who's there?

KMAN doing the hypocrisy dance.

Niiiiiiiiiice.


Been in front of one these lately KMAN?





Come on KMAN, admit it. You adore, follow and secretly donate to this guy.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:37am PT

blue blocker sez:


Hmmmm!

Oh come on blue, if you've got something worth saying don't play coy man. What Ed points out is precisely the problem. The issue is not that Rick chooses who to believe, after all we all must do that including Chuff. The question is why. As Ed points out and as has been relentlessly established here is that Rick cannot chose his scientists by any method related to science. This is due to his woefully lacking skill, knowledge and training, again well established as fact and even acknowledged by Rick himself more than once.

so he,s in the same boat as you and I and most of us, yet he persists in claiming at least the appearance of qualification. By anyone's standard this is grossly negligent and willfully ignorant, but again this is old news here.

Anyway, the true reason he engages in this little drama is that he would rather steer clear of the real reason for his choice of who to believe. Personally I wish he'd take a page from Chuff and lay it all out like some slaughtered sheep. I mean why beat around the bush .... Unless of course the truth is nothing to be proud of?



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Ive finally figured it out.. Bruce Kay is the Canook version of Jhedge...

And therefore should be charged extra carbon taxes for sooo much hot air..
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 25, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Ed, was correct on one point and not quite on another. He acknowledged, in a fashion, that we both choose whom we tend to believe within the nuance of our particular political persusions. And with that acknowledgement is the implication that he rarely, if ever, takes the time to read and understand papers contrary to his persuasion. The second point he made about me not being able to interpret what i read is partially incorrect. Most papers, especially by those with good writing skills, take the time and effort to verbally describe their study, it's methodology , it's conclusions, it's implications. I can understand this. Any one who spends the time can likewise discern the meaning. What i'm lacking is the math skills to verify their process and proof it's outcome.

And Bruce; like i've said repeatedly in the past-i used to believe in AGW. I was far to busy to take the time to dive into the subject and the arctic where i lived was indeed warming in the late 80's through the nineties. That warming ceased and reversed course, the shrill cries of the alarmists became louder, more desperate, and their wild predictions failed one after another. At that point the prudent thing to do is a bit of investigation. I did, i read of the many contrary opinions by many, many scientists. I along with many millions of other citizens saw through the scam and the reasons behind it. If you would get your head out of your ass you could also,my freind.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
i used to believe in AGW

This is the true core of the issue... for some, its simply a matter of faith. Faith first, then rationalization to follow.

He no longer believes.

His AGW angel has fallen.

DMT
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
The public understands that what climate scientists are arguing about is no
more important to them, or the world, than how many angels can dance on the
head of a pin.

Zip.

It may be mildly entertaining like ghost stories told around a campfire but
not to be taken seriously.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Thats apparent as NO ONE showed up to the CC meetings of late.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
This is the true core of the issue... for some, its simply a matter of faith.

Precisely DMT. Precisely.


Less than 2% of this overpaid retired NASA gov't employee thief's "predictions" since 1988 have materialized.



Gotta give him credit though. Like Al Gore, he has taken his hysteria bullshet propaganda all to the bank.


ALL thanks to this "faith" deal you posted about, DMT.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
I think you will have great difficulty demonstrating that climate change caused a drought last summer or is affecting the average American pocketbook in any way that doesn't include sanctions or other imposed enviro-taxes.

And I have a sympathetic ear.

But blaming climate change, or reworded, crediting climate change with, for example, large violent Oklahoma tornados, or any other periodic weather event, seems ill-advised to me. Its the sort of leap-of-logic often attributed to the climate-change-deniers and certainly offers fuels for their flames.

DMT

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
I think you will have great difficulty demonstrating that climate change caused a drought last summer or is affecting the average American pocketbook in any way that doesn't include sanctions or other imposed enviro-taxes.

think so, eh Dingus?

well then, why don't you quickly verify for yourself by googling the continuous price history of wheat, corn, or soybeans---and then see the impact of last summer's heat and drought on prices

but you are a smart guy, you don't need me to tell you something as simple as that

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/oct/10/food-price-rise-uk-crop-harvest

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5434
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Wow you mean the weather affects crop prices?

GASP!!!!!1111111111

Who the bleep knew THAT?

You're such a smart guy, why don't you prove the connection between climate change and last year's drought.

DMT
abrams

Sport climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Credit: abrams

or is it really a help to cool the planet? Aerosols
from coal have been proved to have a cooling affect
on the atmosphere. And I know this sort of thinking makes
AGW believers brains hurt.


monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Aerosols are well understood by climate scientists and anyone who looks below the surface. At least as far as under what circumstances they are cooling or warming. They are also short lived, compared to CO2.

China is committed to reducing their aerosols because their people are demanding it.

Reduced aerosol stream will put some upward pressure on rising temps but no one is demanding that we keep up the stream.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
^^^

Seriously Abrams? You do understand that 2/3 of the SO4 emissions and 1/4 of the NOx emissions (e.g. the causes of acid rain) are from burning coal?

You're willing to trade one f'd situation for another f'd situation? Talk about making someone's brain hurt.
abrams

Sport climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
What? Who elevated me to emperor of the world and didn't tell me?
Not in my or anyone's power to stop coal use ElCap.

Check out this shocking view of world wide uncontrolled coal use.
Lots of these people are already sneaking past armed guards to
steal their daily basket full of coal.


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/01/coal.html


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