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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
theres a problem with the link you posted Rick, it wont come up..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
What scare?

If you lived here and seen that.

I know thats a big if.

2 one hundred year events coupled with SEVERAL tropical depressions that never made it over the mountains before,all in the last 15 years.

See this is the problem i have with your camp,you know it must have happened in 1100 or so, so its normal now.

No.

It is not normal now,because that is what this is about .

NOW.

Not 1000 years ago when we did not have irrefutable evidence.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Ron- its called Late-Holocene and recent hydroclimatic variability in the central Rift Valley: The Sediment record of hypersaline lakes Bagoria, Nakura and Elementia. FortMental is right I am computer inept.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
I find it amazing that the two best mountain cities in North America have gotten mauled by so called 100 year floods in the last 3 months and by completely different storm systems.
Mother Nature is pissed off.
I've heard that she can be appeased by introducing deniers to tar & feathers.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Maybe there is something to this climate change stuff, certainly getting flooded out in Boulder now!
Now if the scientists could somehow solve that problem, I'd be singing a different tune.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
Rick, is this it?


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/06/new-paper-finds-more-evidence-the-medieval-warming-period-was-global-published-in-palaeogeography-palaeoclimatology-palaeoecology-published-in-palaeogeography-palaeoclimatology-palaeoecology/






The authors also find, “From the late-18th to early-19th century and again in the 1870’s, the region experienced two episodes of drought more severe than any recorded in historical time,” once again demonstrating that man-made CO2 is not the control knob of climate.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
‘Cohort replacement’: Climate deniers won’t change, but they will die

A great many people believe that one of the primary barriers to action on climate change is the existence of a cadre of “climate deniers” — people who refuse to accept the now-overwhelming scientific evidence for anthropogenic climate change.
I don’t think the climate deniers will ever change their minds. What will happen is that they will, to put it bluntly, die off. We might wish it otherwise, but I fear that change on climate — real change, non-linear change — will not happen until the generational cohort in which climate denialism is concentrated begins passing into the sweet beyond.
Climate denial is not some isolated quirk of this cohort; it is part of something much deeper. Older white men are a privileged group. They saw their fathers occupy a position of unquestioned normative dominance. And yet history is passing them by; America is becoming more diverse, more urban, and more socially liberal. White men are in the process of losing their position of privilege. Their resentment and fury are intense and, partially as a result, their epistemic standards are becoming increasingly insular and tribal.
http://grist.org/climate-change/cohort-replacement-climate-deniers-wont-change-but-they-will-die/

I figure Dr Ed will outlive Pond Scum by 20 years, voting years that is. Pond Scum's shortness is a genetic defect; he likely has many more. His constant anger is a precursor to a heart attack. His constant whining about money means he's too cheap to pay for medical expenses. And his lack of rationality indicates that mental dementia is just around the corner.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Sure, Anderson, man caused CO2 has nothing to do with climate.

Credit: monolith
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Fort,,,I believe that to be an analogy, or euphemism...

Only inside my shop do i view climate as controlled by a knob.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
then there is this:


New paper finds IPCC climate models don’t realistically simulate convection: Published in Geophysical Research Letters finds climate models do not realistically simulate convection, ‘a key element of the weather and climate system for transporting mass, momentum, and thermal energy’
Read the Full Article


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/11/new-paper-finds-ipcc-climate-models-dont-realistically-simulate-convection-published-in-geophysical-research-letters-finds-climate-models-do-not-realistically-simulate-convection-a-key-element-o/
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Isn't the guy behind ClimateDepot a former employee of both Rush Limbaugh and James Inhofe?

Certainly that helps establish his credibility.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Certainly that helps establish his credibility.

Why not?

Cus he didn't work for Barbara Boxer and John Stewart?

Got it.




Somehow, I do not think anyone on the payroll here voted Republican MALLAT..... http://grist.org/about/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Yeah that's it Ron, thanks. There is lot's more for regions around the world. I'll keep posting them.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Ah yes, the old science of Witchology.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/12/if-all-you-see-888/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Why ,Dr. Fry, does going from drought to flood event constitute evidence of global warming? Why does every violent weather event have to be characterized by you guys as human induced effects of climate change and when we point out lack of climate change predicted extreme events we are just cherry picking weather instead of climate? Can you twist us up an explanation that doesn't involve your usual political b,s,?

Did you guys see Dr. F delete his post just now?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
There has been a distinct decrease in the ratio of new cold temp daily records to new hot temp daily records this year, almost three to one. The tornado season, despite an early severe few, has been well below average, the hurricane season so far nonexistent. Yes, their have been several unusual flood events, at least two so far in N.A., but i'm unsure if the frequency is unusual. What is a trend, 5 years thus far, is severe mid to upper latitude northern hemisphere winters. If you didn't know better, you would think, Bruce, that the wet weather is indicative of the phase change to global cooling we have entered, eh?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
No, im talking five years in the case of severe northern winters. The single year weather events are a favorite for you guys to cherry pick as evidence, but when we do likewise you cry foul. Look Bruce, show me proof of higher frequency of extreme weather events predicted by global warming science-you can't unless their is a retroactive study.

There is a 1% chance of a hundred year event in any given year Craig. So are you saying the front range had back to back hundred year events?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
God Dr have you gone gay. I suggest you refrain from consuming the L.A. water buddy.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Well Bruce, for the first 4 or 5 of those twenty years, and for the decade before that, we were in a distinct warming trend. I defy you though to produce evidence of increased floods, twisters, or hurricanes consistently out of the range of normal during these last 20 years. Show us the irrefutable evidence.
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