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Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
everything short of that

I see what you did there, Dr. H.
Lolz.

Sure is nice of the Chief to posts charts that contradict what he is saying, within the same posts he is saying it. Self refutation, but he's too thick to even realize it. Pitiful really. Doesn't speak well to the educational prowess of the USN.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
CAPNTHEASS:

Sure is nice of the Chief to posts charts that contradict what he is saying, within the same posts he is saying it.

Which chart contradicts the point of recent increase and/or record setting LOW Tornado Activity etc point, CAPNTHEASS?

Which?

Appears you and MONO are both sharing the same BONG of shet ragweed and only read what you WANT to read.

Doesn't speak well to the educational prowess of the USN.

Now that is waaaaaaaaay funny.

Any prowess you ever had CAPnTHEASS got wiped off last time you took a dump.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
Yeah, I've never seen that before! On a lighter note........

I do like the balance that dirtbag provides. (seriously)
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
The balance of Dirtbag???

Looks pretty precarious to me... Seriously!




what was the area of water that your aircraft carrier displaced, when fully loaded?

CV-66: 83,573 tons

CV-43: 45,000 tons

CVN-65: 94,781 tons


Now, please do tell how this can be applied to the ARCTIC SEA ICE with any accuracy?

It can't. None what so ever. Sats have only been in use for some 30 years. The Billions of years worth of annual data prior to their use had absolutely no accuracy for the entire area that it all covered. No way accurate soundings of extent could have been taken for the entire area covered. Fact.

Thus, MOOT and totally invalid point FRONTALOBOTOMY.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
seriously,

there ought to be an admission fee to spectate this thread.....

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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
what was the area of water that your aircraft carrier displaced, when fully loaded?
CV-66: 83,573 tons
CV-43: 45,000 tons
CVN-65: 94,781 tons
what a maroon
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
FRONTALOBOTME

That of course is DEAD in the Water of course.

EDH:

Please explain how this:

well, probably not fact... there are always a lot of interesting ways to glean information... I posted one up thread... researchers looking at the species of wood washed up on Greenland shores, now buried but available for study. the species identification is important because it reveals the originating location of the wood, and from that the "openness" of the arctic ocean can be inferred...

Can ascertain with accuracy, the VOLUME & MASS of the very static ANNUAL ARCTIC SEA ICE, say, 650 years ago for a 30-40 year run period.

Please do cite a ref.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Chief, let's make this simple:

1. What are some of the units of volume?
2. Are tons a measure of volume?
3. If you do choose to use tons as a stand-in for units of volume, what other piece of information is required for an accurate conversion?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
CAPnTHEASS, the above is a moot point as is FRONTALOBOME's regarding the boats I served on.

SEA ICE is NOT a solid body as compared to, let's say a Carrier, nor is it's density any where the same. Thus a whole different formula needs to be added into the mix for SEA ICE and "it's displacement" value compared to a solid mass as a ship.

Oh, SEA ICE actually absorbs large amounts of the surrounding water as well. And that is not a consistent value through out the body of frozen sea.


Next.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
The weight of anything that floats is equal to the weight of the water it displaces.

Density has nothing to do with it, Chief, cuz the both the ship and ice are floating.

Keep working on understanding simple concepts like volume vs area before moving on to stuff more complicated.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
The difference between area and volume is grade 5 material in California.
So are percents.
http://www.ixl.com/standards/california/math/grade-5
www.mathscore.com/math/standards/California/5th Grade/
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Wow, so a carrier is a "solid body"? How do they fit people inside?

Here's the bottom line Chief: He asked you what area is displaced. It's kind of a trick question because displacement is typically quoted in a volumetric unit of measure. However, knowing the weight of the object, you know how much weight of liquid it will displace, and knowing the density of the liquid, we can back-calculate a volume.

But again, volume is not area.

The surface area of a container for a specific volume will vary with the shape of said container. You can do some simple calculus equations to solve for what is the shape requiring the least surface area for a given volume (it's a sphere, btw)
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
archimedes principle. I know it really well because of my DCS cert. showing chief to be the fool he is....

well played mono!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
I'm not a scientist / engineer but do work with regulated industries. Thus, I can say thus:

On the business side, no one really contests climate change. Even if they do, they are dealing with regulation and/or public perception and have moved on. Even in the unlikely event he is correct, nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.

I think one of the chief's central points is very valid - the majority of humanity doesn't care about this one way, or the other. People will happily ignore the chief as readily, though probably with more aggressive applications of ambivalence, than they would ignore ED!!!, er, I mean Ed, of course.

The dull knives blunt both ways.

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Oh how you boys THINK you know. Yet you know NOTHING.

Sea ice may be considered in terms of total volume, or in terms of areal coverage. Volume is harder, because it requires a knowledge of the ice thickness, which is hard to measure directly; efforts such as PIOMAS [4] use a combination of observations and modelling to estimate total volume.

The threshold–based approach may seem less accurate, but it has the advantage of being more consistent. When scientists are analyzing satellite data, it is easier to say whether there is or isn’t at least 15 percent ice cover in a pixel than it is to say, for example, whether the ice cover is 70 percent or 75 percent. By reducing the uncertainty in the amount of ice, scientists can be more certain that changes in sea ice cover over time are real.

A careful analysis of satellite radar altimetry echoes can distinguish between those backscattered from the open ocean, new ice or multi-year ice. The difference between the elevation of the echoes from snow/sea ice and open water gives the elevation of the ice above the ocean; the ice thickness can computed from this.[5] The technique has a limited vertical resolution - perhaps 0.5m - and is easily confused by the presence of even small amounts of open water. Hence it has mostly been used in the Arctic, where the ice is thicker and more continuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_of_sea_ice


Bottom line, measuring the density/extent of SEA ICE is not a straight forward task as it is not a CONSTANT STATIC body.

There many research papers out there stating such.

To say anything different than that is complete bullshet on all your parts.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
NORTON
US grain market prices are exploding upwards as record heat and draught are greatly stressing

No where in today's report was the phrase "Record Heat" utilized. No where.

Another prime example of the BULLSHET exaggeration in order to proliferate the hysteria.

Grain futures are sharply higher this morning, with corn and wheat rallying on the back of a soaring soybean market. Forecasts for hot dry weather continue to drive trading, though weather models differ on how long the heat may last.

Corn prices are posting double digit gains today, adding to momentum from Friday's short-covering rally. December futures tried to take aim at the $5 mark, with the 50-day moving average ahead first at $4.9675 for resistance.

Yield forecasts are coming in line with the results of Farm Futures survey, with weather and crop ratings suggesting the crop may be down further to 13.2 billion bushels. This afternoon's Crop Progress report should show additional deterioration after limited rains in most areas last week.

Significant rains during the heat wave should stay north of I-94 from North Dakota to Detroit according to today's seven-day coverage maps. While weather models agree hot, dry weather will bake the Corn Belt this week, they disagree on how long the heat will last. European runs overnight broke temperatures right after Labor Day, but the latest American model finished before 6 a.m. keeps temperatures withering all of next week before rain and a dramatic cool-down that hints at potential for the first frost scare as well.

Official 6- to 10 and 8- to 14-day forecasts out yesterday showed above normal temperatures but also began to limit below normal precipitation to the western Corn Belt.
http://farmfutures.com/story-morning-market-review-bryce-knorr-22-30780



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