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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 10:58am PT
Cairo is farther north than New Orleans and even more so compared to Miami.

A little bit south of LA.


And Tahoe is West of LA.



I had a teacher who once said that reality was somewhere between Santa Cruz and Las Vegas. I said, "Bakersfield? Buck Owens has been right all along!"
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Why do you guys continue to talk to these morons? Who's the bigger moron?


You are a moron, k-man.

This post will be deleted with 24 hours.


And Randisi, by your logic, you too are a moron for addressing me.


Go figure.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Tick tick tick tick

Consider randisi, these discussions are treated as a, um, workshop, by some of the participants. Understanding the opposition in a place where there is absolutely no consequence to the discussion, at all.

A scratch pad if you will.

There are some real gems in this thread. I too asked, hundreds of posts back, why continue. But if you read the contributions of the science crew and compare them to the trolling of rick sumner and the blog posting of the chief and the weather trolls from sketch?

It frames well the divide.

the chief constantly rails - follow the money. I wonder if the chief will follow the money for his own side of the debate? Got the guts to see who is feeding you the info, the chief?

DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:02am PT
The Chief agrees, K-Man is a moron for responding to morons.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:04am PT
I had a teacher who once said that reality was somewhere between Santa Cruz and Las Vegas. I said, "Bakersfield? Buck Owens has been right all along!"

If Bakersfield is reality? We're FAKKED!



DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:07am PT
MORONS!

GOOD GOD THE MORON CREW IS HERE

AND IT IS US!!!!!!



DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Someone's gotta rule the morons, Chief.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Randisi? I love your air that we breathe thread, brother. Absolutely love it.

Hey the chief?

Isn't it time you started a climbing thread or something, that shares some of your experience with the Taco? Ive seen some of your stuff before, its pretty cool and would be an awesome break from hurling invectives at one another. Give it a spin!? If you refrain from making inflammatory comments I bet it would go nicely, too.

Cheers either way
DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Worst storm in decades batters Jerusalem
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-braces-for-storm-three-times-worse-than-what-has-been-seen-so-far/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 11:12am PT
Let this thread die the ignominious death it richly deserves.


This is worth a comment. I've contemplated whacking this thread after seeing how several folks use it only to spew nonsense and berate other SuperTopians. It's clear that some folks are not here to learn, but instead are here to dump their trash.


What has kept me from doing so is the fact that this thread has had many posts from people who really know their business, and I've learned a head-load of stuff. That's why I keep coming back--to hear the current state of the science and to see if perhaps we can address where to go from here.

The truth is, without various knuckleheads posting every AWG attack-angle they can muster from their favorite blogs, this thread would wither. But, what's interesting to see, every attack has been roundly rebuffed. And that teaches me things.

Randisi, all you might see is morons bickering. But if you cared, you could also find extraordinary posts about real-world science. And sucks, you gotta admit--seeing pics of the pyramids with snow on them is pretty damn cool!
WBraun

climber
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:12am PT
The World is Waking Up to State Crimes of Climate Warming and Violent Weather
by Combinations of Powerful Electromagnetic Energy Weapons and Aerosol Geoengineering
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Credit: rick sumner

Here you go Chuck. I'll e-mail it as well.

For the rest of you guys- I bought my place in the Pah Rah range north of Reno 5 years ago. At the time the trunk of the pictured tree was 4-5 inches from the glass. This fall the separation decreased to mere millimeters. It was clear either the tree went or the greenhouse went. I pondered removing it myself and even cut several of the branches off the roof while imagining the rigging and techniques i would need to employ to remove the rest. In the end the "uncertainty factor" prompted me to call in the experts. I contacted my friend Norwegian and a week later he and his mentor, my old friend Paul Crawford, graciously made the 3 hour drive to safely remove the offending tree. They professionally removed the uncertainty factor and zero quanta impacted the glass. This picture of the Norwegian, his smile showing his love of his element, shows him near the end of the process. Behind him on the hillside is my local bouldering area. Thanks again Chuck and Paul.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Deletion of this thread Kelly would signal the defeat of the hysterical CAGW crowd. Please go ahead, make our day.















Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 11:48am PT
What has kept me from doing so is the fact that this thread has had many posts from people who really know their business, and I've learned a head-load of stuff. That's why I keep coming back--to hear the current state of the science and to see if perhaps we can address where to go from here.

Me too and I assure you the denier crowd is doing the exact same thing. It would be ironic except its not. There is a reason Eee Dee Aitch and Chiloe are contributing to this thread.

Its called education. I love how Ed 'breaks it down' for us. Like the supercomputer bit - I knew the so-called quantum effect is a ruse and a sleight of hand by Rick Sumner to cast doubt on climate model calculations. Dude, they run them more than once...

that's the moron part - purposeful obfuscation and dishonesty. I'm sure he thinks he's being funny.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Deletion of this thread Kelly would signal the defeat of the hysterical CAGW crowd.


There really is no substitute for Rick. Priceless. Thanks for being there, m'friend. You help to define my knowledge of human nature.
Spitzer

climber
Dec 14, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
This thread gets a lot quieter without the often annoying baiting, especially when Rick Poedtke, the Chief, takes his periodic breaks from posting. Ironically the thread would more or less die on its own without them.

I tune in because of the educational value but also because there's something mesmerizing about the stupidity. I mean, WTF? Can these guys be for real? It's scary and fascinating at the same time.

If it's nuked the argument will just resurface in some other thread(s).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 14, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Good point Spitzer.

Keep it coming you cave dwellers.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 14, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
I don't know enough about the subject to effectively argue Ed. I just know an electrical engineer that is charged with debugging the latest generation chips. Solutions are engineered to acceptably get around the problem. Now your blessed climate models-have they ever been rerun on the same equipment with identical inputs? I don't think it is possible, given the volume of computations and compounding variables to ever get identical results. It is the nature of the reality we live in, that even in some imagined future when we have perfect knowledge of all current physical processes and values, that computer generated predictions of the future state of a system will be variable. But as stubborn as you are you would not acknowledge the variability of results from climate models.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Dec 14, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
But as stubborn as you are you would not acknowledge the variability of results from climate models.

Nonsense. On graphs variability is well understood and represented by error bars. A standard part of modeling. It's been that way for decades.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 14, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
I don't know enough about the subject to effectively argue...
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