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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Yeah ok chief, you are correct

the word "record" heat should not have been used

but that is quite essentially irrelevant, and of course does nothing to diminish my point

and that point is that, just like last summer when heat RECORDS across the grain belt were indeed set, this summer is turning out to be a replay, although, so far, only a couple degrees short of being called record heat

it's not about localized weather, or whether a particular heat record is set and continually rebroken

it is about the "trend", undeniable, unmistakable global warming

of that, the flat earth society has been silenced

what remains is only conversation as to whether or not we humans both should and can, do anything to mitigate what is clearly happening

hey chief, I sent you a PM on serving on the America, when you get time
WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
So Dr F is the white and black dog,

and Dirtbag is the brown dog.

Wow!!!

You two are way homo ....

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
NORTON, right back at ya.

Here is something new from the 2013 TT Flick collection to add the reality of life. I think you'll appreciate it NORTON.

N'joy

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
oh YEAH!

thanks for that chief!
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
I check in on this thread just to make sure that Dirtbag is here to post what I think of this thread

Dirtbag, every page, please keep up the good work!!

It's hard to imagine why anyone else would want to debate these morons is beyond me.

You're welcome! You get it!


And here's one for Chief Running Mouth, per Dr. F's request:




WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Dirtbag looking for Dr F ......

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
And here they are together after Dirtbag finds DRF:
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Well Ed,your estimation of the extent of what i know and my concern for the future is, as usual for you, dead wrong. As a father of three, and hopefully someday soon a grandfather of many more, i am keenly concerned for the future. As the patriarch of my little clan i bare responsibility for their future. This issue, probably more than any other prominent current issue, poses a danger to the tribe, but not for the reason's you are shamelessly promoting. Long ago i determined that the odds of CAGW effects posing a threat for the future well being of my descendants is near zero. However there is a very real mortal threat associated with this issue; it is that those pushing the measures to mitigate this non threat will succeed thereby needlessly subjecting future generations to indentured servitude without the freedoms we have enjoyed and with greatly diminished opportunity. And for what- to satisfy the ego's and the greed of a limited few? If these guys get their way we face an economic calamity of proportions much larger than we have witnessed in modern times. Perhaps a new Dark Ages. At that point, with seven billion plus people, you would see "real environmental catastrophe".

I'm pretty good at figuring people out. What i know of you Ed, is that your belief in the catastrophe's some of the more outspoken are bullhorning about is very thin. At the same time i also know, by deduction, that your allegiance is more towards your fellow scientists, that you have spent a lifetime around, than the general public or even your fellow supertopians. Perhaps you have no children. Everything you have accomplished is of your own making. You worked hard, put yourself through many years of schooling while doing without and dirtbagging it to make ends meet, you are now a senior scientist in charge of a brigade of some older scientists but mainly those still a bit wet behind the ears. You fear the backlash for all scientists if this "climate science" collapses in the denunciation and scorn it deserves.

You Ed, should study some real world economics. If you did, and could understand it, you would see that science will suffer immeasurably if the CAGW scam policies are put in place.

Say, in thirty years from now i encounter you on a upper senior type of trail, and say we are all feeling the ill effects of "climate science economic policy", well i think i would take my cane and hit you over the head.

You are too intelligent to continue supporting this CAGW sham.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:53am PT
are you sure that pic isn't a pic of the chief beginning his exercise routine?? I sure hope you get in shape Chief because that is an embarrassing fitness level for any navy man let alone a Chief to be in...where is your discipline??? push yourself away from the buffet...there are people who eat less in a week than what you consume to maintain that girth...BTW is girth a measure of volume or area??
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 05:52am PT
Plus a square foot or two for his moobs.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:36am PT
MTNKITTYSHET:

Amazing how when you and the rest are getting your asses royally kicked, you and your croanies resort to this. But then that is all part of your religious ideological training and the AGW zealot protocol.

Distract, Demonize and Discredit at all cost.

But, it aint working. NOT one bit. The world is seeing through your horseshet and your obvious true agenda. Exemplified here. NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE.




In the meantime, here is the REALITY from the RSS SAT DATA SETS for the past 18 or so years. No modeling of any sorts. Just the straight skinny.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:40am PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:41am PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 27, 2013 - 10:07am PT







It's NOT working Scientism Boys and Girls. It truly isn't.



But then the truth IS NOT factored into this deal is it now.



Just your science.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 11:49am PT
For Chief Loudmouth, too stupid to realize he's stupid:





Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 27, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
I'm pretty good at figuring people out. What i know of you Ed, is that your belief in the catastrophe's some of the more outspoken are bullhorning about is very thin. At the same time i also know, by deduction, that your allegiance is more towards your fellow scientists, that you have spent a lifetime .......


So sez Rick Sumner. you deduce this? What a pompous ass. By your same astounding deductive powers of reasoning you also deduce that I am a communist / socialist?

deductive reasoning, like intuition, must be validated which no mater what possibility of truth maybe hidden in your knee jerk deductions is where you endlessly go off the rails. you are so smugly confident of your intuited premises that you see no reason to do the work required to validate - only the appearance, which gives you licence to cherry pick.

Here's how Rick thinks:

Ed looks like Jerry Garcia.and no doubt has never raised kids

People like that are selfish narcissists

Ed therefore is a selfish narcissist


No need to validate because I read people good just like I read that asshat Canuck is a commie. No need to validate any of those AGW deniers either because:

A) I,m too lazy old arrogant and dumb to devote 10 years to a degree program and

B). The appearance of knowledge and skill works fine for the crew I hang with.


Yeah we know you deduce all right. too bad your efforts stall out there. for your homework this week start with the deductive reasoning wiki page then proceed to the pompous ass wiki page. There will be a test so get to it.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 27, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
While our politics are in chaos almost as bad as this thread, science still goes on. A good window on new developments continues to be the leading interdisciplinary journal Science. Their 2 August issue has a special section on "Natural Systems in Changing Climates," with new developments and synthesis reviews on topics that hint at the breadth and accumulating knowledge of ongoing research:

Natural Systems in Changing Climates

Once and Future Climate Change

How a Fickle Climate Made Us Human

Out of the Kenyan Mud, an Ancient Climate Record

Can Coastal Marshes Rise Above It All?

Worth a Thousand Words
[about comparing historical with modern landscape photos]

Advancing Seasons in China

Tundra in Turmoil

Tree Line Shifts

Humans Greening a Landscape

Changes in Ecologically Critical Terrestrial Climate Conditions

Marine Ecosystem Responses to Cenozoic Global Change

Climate Change and the Past, Present, and Future of Biotic Interactions

The Future of Species Under Climate Change: Resilience or Decline?

Climate Change Impacts on Global Food Security

Climate Change and Infectious Diseases: From Evidence to a Predictive Framework

Ecological Consequences of Sea-Ice Decline
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 27, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
And the 9 August issue of Science has a focus article on wildfires, a topic that sometimes comes up in this thread. It's an interesting read.

Computing a Better Fire Forecast
Eli Kintisch

As climate change threatens to make extreme fires more frequent in the western United States, fire researchers are working to improve computer models that can be used to predict how fires spread and where they might break out. Although improved models are on the horizon, an array of issues is complicating the search for alternatives, from technical debates to the differing cultures of firefighters and academic scientists.
...
A warmer climate will lead to a "higher probability of extreme fire behavior, not in every fire of course, but more often than in the past," predicts forest scientist Steven Running of the University of Montana in Missoula. This new regime will not only tax tactical simulators like FARSITE, but strategic models as well.

Such tools use historic weather data on previous fires to map the probability of fire spread. But existing databases of previous fires are increasingly not representative of the changing climate regime in the western United States, says Krista Gollnick-Waid, a fire analyst with the Bureau of Land Management in Boise. That should raise doubts about results produced by one oft-used strategic modeling tool, called FSPro, she warns: "Analysts need to be aware of the potential for FSPro to underpredict fire spread [and] probability." During her work analyzing a recent fire in southwest Colorado, for example, she found that the blaze traveled farther in 1 day than "what the model said it would go in 5 days." Says Close: "If that's the new normal, we better be ready."

UC Berkeley's Moritz is already grappling with the changing climate of the West. In a 2010 paper published in Geophysical Research Letters, he used roughly a decade of wind and weather information to map the Santa Ana winds across coastal southern California, which dry out landscapes and stoke brushfires into conflagrations. The results were fairly broad but disturbing, highlighting areas that were potentially vulnerable to major fires. "I had fire departments calling me asking whether they could have even finer resolution maps to understand their local risks better," Moritz recalls. Unfortunately, those are still largely unavailable. But he says that the experience highlights the growing demand for better, and more detailed, strategic fire models.


http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6146/609.summaryhttp://
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
rick sez:

Long ago i determined that the odds of CAGW effects posing a threat for the future well being of my descendants is near zero.



Let me see if I have this correct... Long ago, you listened to some propaganda that told you not to worry about climate change, and you liked what you heard. That helped you make up your mind that all the scientific studies around the world, made by real climate scientists, were flawed at the root level and that you had no reason to look at them because your mind was already made up.


Pretty laughable.
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