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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Wrong Ed,, not "everyone with a modicum of science". Not by a long shot.. That is yet another popular and rather out right lie being told by many. Believed by fewer and fewer.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:18am PT
^^ That's why you make the bigbucks Ed.

So science has proven that the way we are burning fossil fuels is detrimental to the ozone.
is science doing working on anything to adjust what's coming out of the tailpipe? Like changing the manner inwhich we burn it, or adding something to the gastank to negate what comes out the pipe? I don't know,I'm guessing. I just wondered if we're trying to fix the problem at the root, other than going in a whole different direction. Like solar, or wind or whatever.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Temp this morning at Mosquito Flats PL @ 0630, 31 degs F. As I hiked to one of my favorite "honey holes" @just a little over 11K to play with my buddy Brookies, I encountered several puddles along the trail. Most were covered with and some were actually solid ICE! Got to my honey hole only to find 1/2 of it covered in a thin coating of.... ICE! Let's not forget that this is the 4th AUG! Just a little past the middle of SUMMER. Forty something years of climbing and fishing in these parts and I have never encountered ICED puddles nor on top of lakes ICED OVER this time of the year. Never.

Oh how it is getting warmer.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:24am PT
well thee ya go Ed , concentrating on your angles and suits, and that is natural eh? However, in your educated SNOOTY way, yes ,, snooty, you will dismiss any other attributes such as COMMON friggin sense or a large knowledge of things not your bailiwick such as flora and fauna. Or just excusing ANY "SCIENTISTS" that disagree with your take. Thus the "everyone" phrase and you and i both know thats far from the case. And as youve rubbed my nose in the mathematical end of your posts repeatedly, and obviously im NOT the mathematician you are by any means, i then concentrate on things I know and have some actual expertise in.. Chances are fairly good that ive forgotten more about fires and fire ecology than youve known. (rubbin yur nose in it) And as far as wildlife,, its been my life since i was in the single digits in age. And all of the above has been mentioned, used by, or been a flagship of CC. When a cause uses these falsified flagships , it IS a direct indicator of things that may just smell. Hell you even kinda jumped on my FAT people JOKE and how CC was involved now didnt ya. It made you actually think there "could be something there" LMAO! Fer craps sake man, i went fishin and caught a 170 lb sucker!;-)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:27am PT

...the science is not a question of belief, it is a question of data and the organizing science, and where ever that leads is where a scientist will follow, even if that path wasn't what was expected.

^^ that is correct, but one must ask also; from wherest did the motiv come from to produce said science
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:28am PT
Worse, if I do the calculation, you couldn't tell the difference if I did it right or wrong, so ultimately you're left with putting your trust in someone with no criteria to guide you...

So now ED H is stating that Science is the law of the Universe. Sounds like a fking religion ED.

Get over yourselves, ED, DRF, CHILOE etal. YOU ARE NOT GODS nor do you know shet about anything. You think you do. But in the Big Picture of it all, you don't.


the science is not a question of belief, it is a question of data and the organizing science, and where ever that leads is where a scientist will follow, even if that path wasn't what was expected.

So far that data you speak of ED is way off. In other words, full of shet propaganda. Data is not infallible ED. Nor is your science.

Science is just a human thought process. It is NOT the Universal Law. Don't claim it as such.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:35am PT
Chief,, a couple of buddies of mine were up at little indian valley near MRKL about 7200. Frost and frozen water bottles in the am. Aug 2..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:36am PT
Blue blocker - As you can see Ron Anderson and CHuff make no pretenses of following the science. Rick however does. So what exactly did you find so outstanding about Ricks post? If you found that one outstanding, I'd ezpect you'd find most of his posts outstanding. He stated what he always states only this time with the volume of a small telephone book. So what set this one apart? His assertiveness? same. His rhetorical style? Same again.

Perhaps you found this outstanding:

I am not sorry foes, i will not dance to your tune, or participate by the rules of your well practiced system of personal destruction.

Bizarre and obtuse use of language I know but If you decipher this into english he says:

"Examining my own motivations and ideologies in regard to how it may effect what I chose to believe about global warming makes me very nervous and my "intuition" tells me that I should avoid it like the plague. However I realize I cannot admit to this particular form of intellectual cowardice so I instead feign outrage at being expected to engage in a subject which I will now attempt to dismiss as irrelevant."

You see Rick will tell you himself that he dosn't have the skill or knowledge to critique the science, so all his critiquing of the science can only result in a volume of opinion that is by definition of low value. Yet curiously he holds firm contrarian beliefs anyway. Considering this, he is a prime candidate - if he had the intellectual courage that is - to take a critical look at his own motivations and ideological imperatives as a possible explanation.

We have offered to help him in this regard but as you can see he choses to define this perfectly relevant challenge as an outrageously undignified assault on his sovereign right to believe anything he likes without robust substantiation.

So perhaps that is what you find outstanding?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:43am PT
No i make no pretense,Bruce, but i CAN read the "other sides" as well as the CC sides. I gleam what i can.
I did that concerning crud like the spotted owls, penguins , reef fish, polar bears, and fires. WUN HUNERT purcint beuuulllchips.





The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:53am PT
BRUCE:

Have you ever contemplated that some of us actually come from a location where the streets have no names and wish to keep it that way.

Shet Happens Bruce, ED, Chiloe etal. It has since the beginning of time and even before then. Get used to it. Cus it's gonna keep happening. Regardless what your science says.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 01:54am PT
Thanks Blublocker. I checked my email but haven't received anything from you yet. I still have 6 books left out of my 10 book commitment so anyone else that wants to read an excellent presentation from somebody that's been on the other side feel free to pm me.

Look Ed, I wrote that post from memory in 15 minutes before I went to an open house-very good day I might add as it looks like at least we have 2 houses sold. I literally have a 2 foot pile of papers, most peer reviewed and some not, that I've downloaded and read at night. I'm not going to spend my night looking for the paper on a new treatment for the physical qualities of CO2. My wife is already complaining that I read these stupid papers until I fall asleep and don't pay enough attention to her. I think it was by a mathematician by the name of Johnson.

Anyway guys, people like Ed are very intelligent and see the world in depth at minute levels but they can't see the forest for the trees. They just lack smarts in other departments and incorrectly assume since they are surrounded by like minded people that they know all, see all, and the rest of the populace are blind idiots. Well, they're not and the range of intelligence of normal human beings is smaller than imagined. Different peoples intelligence are just manifested in different ways. Ed and Chiloe are undoubtedly good guys and mean well but they just don't get that the game is up and they are beating a dead horse for miles it can never again give. Anyway that's my take.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 5, 2013 - 02:21am PT
BRUCE:

Have you ever contemplated that some of us actually come from a location where the streets have no names and wish to keep it that way.

Contemplated? Hell I have concluded that about you ages ago.

Furthermore, I think that explains exactly your position on this subject.

However what it has absolutely no bearing on is the ability to understand Climate science, which is what this thread is about.

Which you could care less about as you have indicated all along.........


































You are one fuked up individual
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 03:39am PT
Bruce
All right you caught me with my pants down, I jus wanted a free book.
But I did think that he pointed to some holes in the ozone hole conspiracy. lOL

But realiisticly I believe there can be more contributors to global warming than jus the burning of fuels. Like, the average air temperature going into an engine is 75 deg. and the exit temp. is
over 110. And the engine runs at around 160 deg. So without having any scientific credentials
I would still say these two functions are heating up the atmosphere, thus the waters of the oceans. And all the "things" that man has created that sit on top of the earths surface that act like radiant heaters. IE cars, trains, buildings, etc. these all store heat from the suns rays and radiat it back through the earth. Then there's water. The world has a finite amount of fresh water. What has man done with that? For one, since 1800 mans population went from 1bill to 7bill. Man is 3/4 water. That's a lot of water that is no longer in the earths system acting as a coolant. Instead it's in a mans body at 98deg. Another heater. Then there's all the other billions and billions of gallons were keeping separated from the ground in our toilets, and pipes, and swimming pools, etc. all warming! We're doing a lot of things that warm the planet. That's all I'm Say'in
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 03:59am PT

The jet stream is wobbling because of the decrease in the temperature gradient between the North Pole and the equator.

This is another one. This could be caused by the recent huge sun flare activity we've been having. And the fact that we've (the earth) has been closer to the sun for the last 7 yrs than in a long tIme. Now we're moving away.

The climate is VERY sensitive and will continue to change. Everyday!

Let's continue to understand it and try to make provisions to keep it stable!

Cheers!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:04am PT
het Happens Bruce, ED, Chiloe etal. It has since the beginning of time and even before then. Get used to it. Cus it's gonna keep happening. Regardless what your science says.

Good news!!!1111 Their science says shits gonna happen, too!

group hug!!!

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:23am PT
Their science says shits gonna happen..

Their sh#t is not of any validity as it is not real. Only of human concepts and perceptions. Nope. Not gonna really happen. Only in their minds of fatalistic conceptualization as you believe it to happen. Reality Dingus. Reality. Oh it might get warm. But it is not due to your Sportsmobile and the powerplant that powered the electricity in your suburbia domicile. Nope. It is getting warm as it has millions of times before your human brothers and sisters ever showed up and demanded electricity in order to type bullshet propaganda on their keyboards.

RILEY, you are on the same sinking dingy as DRF etal. One bigass AGW bitch about everything utopian socialist that would embrace communism and the gov't wiping yours and the entire societies ass daily, in a heartbeat. Thank god there are fundamental Rednecks still around that will not tolerate nor allow that to ever occur within our borders.

Life on planet earth is as it all should be. Get used to it. Cus you all are gonna die. That is not a model. It is reality.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:23am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?_r=1&

As demonstrated on this thread ,you, all about myself,Faux Libertarians are going to have a hard time with the word "Consensus".
Let alone winning a future election.

You should be CC deniers,for you are evolving yourselves to extinction.


3%.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:27am PT
"Consensus".

What fking consensus. Oh yeah, the 67% of the 37% submitted peer rev'd AGW papers that had an opinion about GCC. Got it.

The ONLY "consensus" you all have is within your fatalistic Utopian minds. Move deeper into them Vermont woods WILBEER. Cus the drones are a coming to get you.

You should be CC deniers,for you are evolving yourselves to extinction.

Yup. That is why the KEYSTONE PIPELINE is a GO. Got it WILLBEER. A BIGASS GO! That reality is gonna make me some big bucks. Yeah!

Let alone winning a future election.

As far as elections go, that too is a flat out joke. Congress is a joke of all jokes. 10% approval. Nice. And Obama is seriously turning into a sell out for sure. BTW, Obama approves of the KEYSTONE PIPELINE. Ha!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:36am PT
yeah chef,misinformation,i did not get it.


"Fundamental Redneck",that will get you somewhere.I think we are going to have a season up here for those.

Caught some nice truly native brookies lately?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:38am PT
Get me somewhere? WILLBEER. It is and has been already here. Wake the fk up. Come outta them woods and taste reality dude.


Caught some nice truly native brookies lately?

Funny you ask.... I've caught a buttload of NATIVE Piaute Cut's AND Golden's. Thank you very much.
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