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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
archimedes principle. I know it really well because of my DCS cert. showing chief to be the fool he is....

well played mono!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
I'm not a scientist / engineer but do work with regulated industries. Thus, I can say thus:

On the business side, no one really contests climate change. Even if they do, they are dealing with regulation and/or public perception and have moved on. Even in the unlikely event he is correct, nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
nobody actually cares what the chief has to say.

I think one of the chief's central points is very valid - the majority of humanity doesn't care about this one way, or the other. People will happily ignore the chief as readily, though probably with more aggressive applications of ambivalence, than they would ignore ED!!!, er, I mean Ed, of course.

The dull knives blunt both ways.

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Oh how you boys THINK you know. Yet you know NOTHING.

Sea ice may be considered in terms of total volume, or in terms of areal coverage. Volume is harder, because it requires a knowledge of the ice thickness, which is hard to measure directly; efforts such as PIOMAS [4] use a combination of observations and modelling to estimate total volume.

The threshold–based approach may seem less accurate, but it has the advantage of being more consistent. When scientists are analyzing satellite data, it is easier to say whether there is or isn’t at least 15 percent ice cover in a pixel than it is to say, for example, whether the ice cover is 70 percent or 75 percent. By reducing the uncertainty in the amount of ice, scientists can be more certain that changes in sea ice cover over time are real.

A careful analysis of satellite radar altimetry echoes can distinguish between those backscattered from the open ocean, new ice or multi-year ice. The difference between the elevation of the echoes from snow/sea ice and open water gives the elevation of the ice above the ocean; the ice thickness can computed from this.[5] The technique has a limited vertical resolution - perhaps 0.5m - and is easily confused by the presence of even small amounts of open water. Hence it has mostly been used in the Arctic, where the ice is thicker and more continuous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_of_sea_ice


Bottom line, measuring the density/extent of SEA ICE is not a straight forward task as it is not a CONSTANT STATIC body.

There many research papers out there stating such.

To say anything different than that is complete bullshet on all your parts.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
NORTON
US grain market prices are exploding upwards as record heat and draught are greatly stressing

No where in today's report was the phrase "Record Heat" utilized. No where.

Another prime example of the BULLSHET exaggeration in order to proliferate the hysteria.

Grain futures are sharply higher this morning, with corn and wheat rallying on the back of a soaring soybean market. Forecasts for hot dry weather continue to drive trading, though weather models differ on how long the heat may last.

Corn prices are posting double digit gains today, adding to momentum from Friday's short-covering rally. December futures tried to take aim at the $5 mark, with the 50-day moving average ahead first at $4.9675 for resistance.

Yield forecasts are coming in line with the results of Farm Futures survey, with weather and crop ratings suggesting the crop may be down further to 13.2 billion bushels. This afternoon's Crop Progress report should show additional deterioration after limited rains in most areas last week.

Significant rains during the heat wave should stay north of I-94 from North Dakota to Detroit according to today's seven-day coverage maps. While weather models agree hot, dry weather will bake the Corn Belt this week, they disagree on how long the heat will last. European runs overnight broke temperatures right after Labor Day, but the latest American model finished before 6 a.m. keeps temperatures withering all of next week before rain and a dramatic cool-down that hints at potential for the first frost scare as well.

Official 6- to 10 and 8- to 14-day forecasts out yesterday showed above normal temperatures but also began to limit below normal precipitation to the western Corn Belt.
http://farmfutures.com/story-morning-market-review-bryce-knorr-22-30780



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Yeah ok chief, you are correct

the word "record" heat should not have been used

but that is quite essentially irrelevant, and of course does nothing to diminish my point

and that point is that, just like last summer when heat RECORDS across the grain belt were indeed set, this summer is turning out to be a replay, although, so far, only a couple degrees short of being called record heat

it's not about localized weather, or whether a particular heat record is set and continually rebroken

it is about the "trend", undeniable, unmistakable global warming

of that, the flat earth society has been silenced

what remains is only conversation as to whether or not we humans both should and can, do anything to mitigate what is clearly happening

hey chief, I sent you a PM on serving on the America, when you get time
WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
So Dr F is the white and black dog,

and Dirtbag is the brown dog.

Wow!!!

You two are way homo ....

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
NORTON, right back at ya.

Here is something new from the 2013 TT Flick collection to add the reality of life. I think you'll appreciate it NORTON.

N'joy

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
oh YEAH!

thanks for that chief!
dirtbag

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
I check in on this thread just to make sure that Dirtbag is here to post what I think of this thread

Dirtbag, every page, please keep up the good work!!

It's hard to imagine why anyone else would want to debate these morons is beyond me.

You're welcome! You get it!


And here's one for Chief Running Mouth, per Dr. F's request:




WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Dirtbag looking for Dr F ......

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
And here they are together after Dirtbag finds DRF:
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Well Ed,your estimation of the extent of what i know and my concern for the future is, as usual for you, dead wrong. As a father of three, and hopefully someday soon a grandfather of many more, i am keenly concerned for the future. As the patriarch of my little clan i bare responsibility for their future. This issue, probably more than any other prominent current issue, poses a danger to the tribe, but not for the reason's you are shamelessly promoting. Long ago i determined that the odds of CAGW effects posing a threat for the future well being of my descendants is near zero. However there is a very real mortal threat associated with this issue; it is that those pushing the measures to mitigate this non threat will succeed thereby needlessly subjecting future generations to indentured servitude without the freedoms we have enjoyed and with greatly diminished opportunity. And for what- to satisfy the ego's and the greed of a limited few? If these guys get their way we face an economic calamity of proportions much larger than we have witnessed in modern times. Perhaps a new Dark Ages. At that point, with seven billion plus people, you would see "real environmental catastrophe".

I'm pretty good at figuring people out. What i know of you Ed, is that your belief in the catastrophe's some of the more outspoken are bullhorning about is very thin. At the same time i also know, by deduction, that your allegiance is more towards your fellow scientists, that you have spent a lifetime around, than the general public or even your fellow supertopians. Perhaps you have no children. Everything you have accomplished is of your own making. You worked hard, put yourself through many years of schooling while doing without and dirtbagging it to make ends meet, you are now a senior scientist in charge of a brigade of some older scientists but mainly those still a bit wet behind the ears. You fear the backlash for all scientists if this "climate science" collapses in the denunciation and scorn it deserves.

You Ed, should study some real world economics. If you did, and could understand it, you would see that science will suffer immeasurably if the CAGW scam policies are put in place.

Say, in thirty years from now i encounter you on a upper senior type of trail, and say we are all feeling the ill effects of "climate science economic policy", well i think i would take my cane and hit you over the head.

You are too intelligent to continue supporting this CAGW sham.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Aug 27, 2013 - 02:53am PT
are you sure that pic isn't a pic of the chief beginning his exercise routine?? I sure hope you get in shape Chief because that is an embarrassing fitness level for any navy man let alone a Chief to be in...where is your discipline??? push yourself away from the buffet...there are people who eat less in a week than what you consume to maintain that girth...BTW is girth a measure of volume or area??
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 05:52am PT
Plus a square foot or two for his moobs.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:36am PT
MTNKITTYSHET:

Amazing how when you and the rest are getting your asses royally kicked, you and your croanies resort to this. But then that is all part of your religious ideological training and the AGW zealot protocol.

Distract, Demonize and Discredit at all cost.

But, it aint working. NOT one bit. The world is seeing through your horseshet and your obvious true agenda. Exemplified here. NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE.




In the meantime, here is the REALITY from the RSS SAT DATA SETS for the past 18 or so years. No modeling of any sorts. Just the straight skinny.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:40am PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 27, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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