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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:57am PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:09am PT
See!

Now you clearly haven't a clue where what and how you fking stand nor think.

But as usual FORMENTALSHETFORBRAINS, you are pulling straw after straw outta that mouth, oops, ass of yours.

Keep shlepping there BrownSpotmentalist. Keep shlepping.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:25am PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Well K-Man, Mental Case and others why don't you guys do a simple comparison of the observed climate reality versus the many predictions od CAGW theory.

!. increased and more severe hurricane activity.

2. increased and more severe tornado's.

3. Permanent droughts in the southwest through some of the prairie states.

4. The Arctic ocean was supposed to be ice free by now according to many.

5. Greenlands ice sheets were meant to slide into the sea.

6. Antartica's warming was meant to be amplified.

7. Antartic ice shelfs and continental ice sheets were meant to have slid into the sea and broken up.

8. Snow was already meant to be a thing of the past in parts of Europe, the U.K., and parts of America.

9. Alaskas temps to were meant to have continued upwards unabated, all the permafrost melted and the methane hydrates released.

10. There was meant to be a hotspot in the tropic's upper troposphere.

11. Average global temperatures were meant to increase in close correlation to rising CO2 content.

And on and on and on. None of these things have come to fruition and in most cases exactly the opposite has happened. Any respectable science establishment would have abandoned such a theory long ago after repeated failure of the predictives. But, this isn't respectable science is it?

Well i see that the Master has "spoken" during my own little composition. Unfortunately most of what he had to say was in defense of the many failed predictives. Ed's answer for the overhyped problem continues to be a ruinous tax on the air we use and breath. This is complete b.s. and know body in their right mind mistakes it for anything but government seizure of liberties and wealth for the purpose of complete control of the populace. If global warming was a real problem we could much more easily nullify it by anthropogenic release of reflective aerosols than eliminate the source of atmospheric CO2 which is 97% natural and the result of natural temp increases.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:44am PT
So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.

The bolded part is what Chef Cherry Picker left out.



Be careful out there Chef.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:48am PT
"reducing your taxes is then simple, you utilize services and products that minimize atmospheric CO2 emissions. this drives the entire market, not just in the energy sector, but in transportation, in what food you buy, etc. you can still buy all the things you can now, you just have to pay the "fair price" for it, which includes the use of the atmospheric dumping of CO2."










There we have it. Just have to PAY the FAIR price. Yes reduce your taxes while having to pay out the yingus for ANYTHING..

Ohw you want to drive 200 miles on your vacation? That will be 199.99 please.
Or, our cantaloupes are from mexico, so there fore they are 27.00 per pound due to carbon taxes to get them here.


Or you want a new computer? Just add 150.00 to the price - for over seas shipment carbon tax.

Now is this TAX going to guarantee a reduced level of CO2? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:54am PT
The contrarians are the ones making the poor predictions.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Speaking of NO CLUE,, how is it that a MERE .11 F has been the TOTAL warming for the last decade and a half? How is it that it DOESNT follow " trends of the past" in temps/vs CO2?

And WHY have those predictions of ocean levels rising fallen dramatically short of anticipated rise?


And WHY does GW advocates use flagships so easily dis-proven? The flora/fauna DOESNT lie. And thus far the GW advocates have USED these in attempts to sway public opinion. But then those critters EXIST and thus CAN be proven one way or another.. And they have been proven to be FALSE.


Walks like a duck,, talks like a duck,,must be a DUCK.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Take a good look around Ed. It is not that the predictives take time to evolve, or build up in fits and starts, it is instead the observed reality is going 180 degrees in the opposite direction. I suppose you believe they will make a complete 360 degree revolution and conform to the "science" at some unknown date an eon or two in the future, but we can't stop the world on suppositions. It is highly likely we are entering a period of global cooling and along with it erratic weather patterns which might last many decades into the immediate future. Their are many respectable scientists and exhaustive studies pointing in this direction. Why can't you accept such a possibility instead of having almost all your chips on CAGW?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
DRSTRANELOVEF:
rick
Most of those predictions are for 50 years from now
Not today


Hmmmmmmmmmm.

That is what they said 35-40 years ago with them predictions back then about TODAY!

Nothing of them "predictions" have come close to or even MATERIALIZE.

Niiiiiiiiiice DRF.


Thank you.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Just for clarification.Here is another FACT CHECK and the REST OF THE STORY for you tards.

This photo that CAPNTHEASS posted, was taken over two years ago. June something 2011.



It was precisely 19 days out from having this thing pulled (May 24th) after being completely NON weight bearing on the left leg for 17 weeks. Why? Complete dislocation/separation blow outta the knee socket of the L Fibula. It took six hours of surgery to repair the damage. Yup. Gained some 10 or so lbs. Who wouldn't.

Blow up here:
http://www.supertopo.com/photos/19/61/317644_24545_L.jpg


So considering that situ, I was back CO-Guiding and hauling a 45lb load up the NFLPC in less than 2 Weeks. Not bad for a 53 something y/o.









Now back to this AGW hysteria Utopian propaganda thread.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
WOW!



You Worried?


See, you are full of shet.


PS: Fortlips. There is even MORE truth to this story but what is posted will do.


Again, this is just clarification and another example of how you all AGW UTOPIANS need to squeeeeeeeeze shet out and manipulate the truth to make things appear as they truly are not in order to proliferate your Bullshet.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 24, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Any respectable science establishment would have abandoned such a theory long ago after repeated failure of the predictives. But, this isn't respectable science is it?

One thing's for sure, you have not the education, experience, or credentials to determine what good or bad science is anymore than I have the same qualifications to determine the structural integrity of a house you have built. Amateurs posing on the rig.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 24, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
, actually Jebus the average shmoe is far far far more capable of judging structural integrity of any old house. No, I don,t advocate that it's smart but the analogy to Ricks ability to criticize science is way off by many orders of magnitude. most people can grasp the nuances of a load path or shear walls and so on with a little research and basic physics, and consequently most amateurs over build if anything.

Determining meaning or trouble shooting a work of climate science would be more analogous to the construction of a nuclear power plant and the obvious hazard in letting an amateur or impostor like Rick Sumner have his way. He,d probably want to use a lot of PL Premium to fill all the voids and then let his friend Sarah do the electrical.


But as we all know Ricks non grasp of science has no real bearing on what he thinks anyway. For instance here is some spectacular proof that the whole AGW scam is a Islamic plot to establish a world wide caliphate by driving the most exceptional country in the world back to the Stone Age .

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/21/2505551/al-jazeera-best-climate-coverage/

I mean this is proof positive. Just ask Chuff.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 24, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
Did you post "Premium" Bruce??

Yeah!

96-101 Octane....Horsepower Baby!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 24, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Right you are chuff. My mistake. Rick wouldn't,t use premium, he,d go for PL 400..... Or maybe just a little drywall mud.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
We non-stupid people always underestimate the harmful potential of
all the truly educated stupid people who believe global warming can be
stopped by taking money out of my bank account and
putting it into theirs. (carbon credits etc)

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
This photo that CAPNTHEASS posted,

Get yer facts straight, fuknut. I didn't post the fatboy pic. I posted the little man pic.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Sorry guys, put a late one in on my remodel here in Nv. Not currently using any PL 400 Bruce, just Tite Bond II for my underlayment. Anyway it's good to see you've diverted your tactics away from the amateur psycho babble b.s.

Ed, i've posted, or made reference to, many papers in the past from the likes of Gray, Easterbrook,Latif,Tsonis and others claiming that oceanic turnover in regular oscillations are Earths primary climate change driver and many of these respected scientists say we are in for a cooling trend.

Scafetta, penn, livingston, Lu, Abdussmatov, Christiansen, Svensmark, Shaviv and other respected solar scientists claim that the Sun is the primary driver of climate change on Earth. Many of these same scientists and others are calling for a distinct cooling trend of anywhere from 30 to 250 years because of the solar minimum we are slipping into.

Here is a link to a paper that says orbital forcing (Milankovitch cycles) is the primary driver of climate change on Earth. I don't have to tell you the hundreds or thousands of scientists in agreement about this. Some say we are on a long term downward trend in temps to the next ice age.

http://www.omsj.org/reports/esper%2012.pdf

As far as picking the side that fits my politics, it is obvious that you a are not yourself without sin as you cast the first stone. By all accounts you are a highly respected scientist and are certainly capable of reading and digesting the various papers, but you are not a "climate scientist" and have not spent your career studying all the nuances.What i'm saying is you are not qualified to dismiss the papers by your fellow respected scientists listed above who have spent a considerable portion of their careers studying the science. With all due respect, sir.





monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
We were on a slow descent into the next ice age. Not any more.

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