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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 25, 2009 - 08:17am PT
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Seems to me that Plaxico Burris got HOSED... 2 years jail for an EXPIRED permit. I can certainly understand and condone jail time for NO permit but this guy had jumped through the hoops, got the permit and then let it expire.. Seems pretty brutal punishment to me. The one they should have gone after was whomever the instructor was who passed him on the gun safty part of that permit process!!
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Sep 25, 2009 - 09:51am PT
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Did he get jail time for the expired permit... or for shooting himself in the leg and endangering everyone else in the club?
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Between Tuscano and Liguria, Italia
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Sep 25, 2009 - 09:53am PT
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EXPIRED permit = NO permit
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:10am PT
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expired permit from another state.....which STILL would not have allowed him to bring the gun into a nightclub.
this is not the guy you want to use when it comes to arguing for gun rights.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:35am PT
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Ditto what DMT said. Pick a better poster boy for gun rights.
One of the most frequent refrains I hear from gun rights advocates is that there is no need for additional regulation, we just need to enforce what's on the books better.
Well, here's a clear case of enforcing whats on the books and using a doofus as an example.
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miller.545
Sport climber
Overland Park, KS
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:35am PT
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what if he accidentally shot someone else? Would 2 years be excessive then? He endangered everyone who was near him, so no I do not think it is excessive.
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:42am PT
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He's a doofus for sure. But you don't punish a guy for "what if?"
Excessive.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:46am PT
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Poor guy is so misunderstood.
He was just trying to perform a public service keeping bad dancers off the floor.
At least he's not as stupid as that guy that found a .45 in the glove box while waiting in his friend's truck, shot himself in the foot, freaked out, pulled the trigger again, and got the other foot.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:51am PT
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What pro football playah needs a gun in a nightclub anyway?
In the old days, if it came to trouble, we used to just throw down with our meat hooks and preferred to win or get beat on the strength of our will.
NFL show-off + ignorance + fool with gun = jail time.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:03am PT
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My mom could kick his a$$
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:38am PT
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He's an idiot, and he got the mandatory minimum, fine, whatever. Sucks for him, but he was stupid.
On the other hand, he was sentenced to more time than Michael Vick.
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piquaclimber
Trad climber
Durango
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:46am PT
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Seemed fair to me...
NYC put laws on the books to clean up it's image and it's crime rate and it worked. Like Aya said, he go the mandatory minimum.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:53am PT
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How about the guy who got 30 days for killing a guy while drunk driving even though NFL players are all covered by dial a ride.
Thats justice for ya!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Was not looking at this from a gun rights perspective but was looking at the paperwork angle. As far as i know the 2 years was for the permit violation. I see a huge difference between an expired permit and never had a permit. I was not aware that the permit was from a diferent state.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
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Also not defending the guys intelegence. Just seems like 2 years in maximum security PRISON is a lot of time for just being stupid! They do say that life is tough when your stupid though....
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
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Why do you think he will be in a maximum security prison?
A 2-year sentence seems very high to me; I can see the logic of going after people who are carrying guns to use in committing (other) crimes, not so much in going after someone carrying a gun to defend himself.
A would have given him a slap-on-the-wrist: if any jail time, just weekenders or something like that.
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miller.545
Sport climber
Overland Park, KS
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
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"You dont punish a guy for what if"
sure we do. someone who gets a DUI is punished because they endangered the public whether or not they caused an accident. Because driving after drinking is inherently dangerous. Just like carrying a loaded gun into a crowded night club, when you clearly are not smart enough to handle it safely is inherently dangerous.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:30pm PT
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He was just admitted to Rikers Island, Pretty shure that is the big house! A guy who has done the background checks and gone through the paperwork process is a totaly diferent animal from the guy who bought the gun in a back ally. I feel the sentance is absurd. I got a ticket a few years ago for an expired drivers licence and the cop told me to get it renewed tomorrow and I will tear up the ticket. I i had never had a drivers licence he probobly would have buckeled me up and given me a ride down town.
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salad
climber
Escondido
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
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leave vick and plax alone. i made 10g's betting on the nfl last year.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:53pm PT
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" ...He's a doofus for sure. But you don't punish a guy for "what if?"
Charges like reckless endangerment, attempted murder, etc are "what if" charges.
This guy is a stupid sh*t and gives responsible gun owners a bad name. Knott my poster boy for sure.
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