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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 25, 2009 - 08:17am PT
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Seems to me that Plaxico Burris got HOSED... 2 years jail for an EXPIRED permit. I can certainly understand and condone jail time for NO permit but this guy had jumped through the hoops, got the permit and then let it expire.. Seems pretty brutal punishment to me. The one they should have gone after was whomever the instructor was who passed him on the gun safty part of that permit process!!
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Sep 25, 2009 - 09:51am PT
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Did he get jail time for the expired permit... or for shooting himself in the leg and endangering everyone else in the club?
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
Between Tuscano and Liguria, Italia
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Sep 25, 2009 - 09:53am PT
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EXPIRED permit = NO permit
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:10am PT
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expired permit from another state.....which STILL would not have allowed him to bring the gun into a nightclub.
this is not the guy you want to use when it comes to arguing for gun rights.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:35am PT
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Ditto what DMT said. Pick a better poster boy for gun rights.
One of the most frequent refrains I hear from gun rights advocates is that there is no need for additional regulation, we just need to enforce what's on the books better.
Well, here's a clear case of enforcing whats on the books and using a doofus as an example.
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miller.545
Sport climber
Overland Park, KS
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:35am PT
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what if he accidentally shot someone else? Would 2 years be excessive then? He endangered everyone who was near him, so no I do not think it is excessive.
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:42am PT
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He's a doofus for sure. But you don't punish a guy for "what if?"
Excessive.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:46am PT
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Poor guy is so misunderstood.
He was just trying to perform a public service keeping bad dancers off the floor.
At least he's not as stupid as that guy that found a .45 in the glove box while waiting in his friend's truck, shot himself in the foot, freaked out, pulled the trigger again, and got the other foot.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:51am PT
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What pro football playah needs a gun in a nightclub anyway?
In the old days, if it came to trouble, we used to just throw down with our meat hooks and preferred to win or get beat on the strength of our will.
NFL show-off + ignorance + fool with gun = jail time.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:03am PT
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My mom could kick his a$$
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Aya K
Trad climber
New York
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:38am PT
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He's an idiot, and he got the mandatory minimum, fine, whatever. Sucks for him, but he was stupid.
On the other hand, he was sentenced to more time than Michael Vick.
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piquaclimber
Trad climber
Durango
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:46am PT
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Seemed fair to me...
NYC put laws on the books to clean up it's image and it's crime rate and it worked. Like Aya said, he go the mandatory minimum.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Sep 25, 2009 - 11:53am PT
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How about the guy who got 30 days for killing a guy while drunk driving even though NFL players are all covered by dial a ride.
Thats justice for ya!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Was not looking at this from a gun rights perspective but was looking at the paperwork angle. As far as i know the 2 years was for the permit violation. I see a huge difference between an expired permit and never had a permit. I was not aware that the permit was from a diferent state.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
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Also not defending the guys intelegence. Just seems like 2 years in maximum security PRISON is a lot of time for just being stupid! They do say that life is tough when your stupid though....
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
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Why do you think he will be in a maximum security prison?
A 2-year sentence seems very high to me; I can see the logic of going after people who are carrying guns to use in committing (other) crimes, not so much in going after someone carrying a gun to defend himself.
A would have given him a slap-on-the-wrist: if any jail time, just weekenders or something like that.
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miller.545
Sport climber
Overland Park, KS
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
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"You dont punish a guy for what if"
sure we do. someone who gets a DUI is punished because they endangered the public whether or not they caused an accident. Because driving after drinking is inherently dangerous. Just like carrying a loaded gun into a crowded night club, when you clearly are not smart enough to handle it safely is inherently dangerous.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2009 - 12:30pm PT
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He was just admitted to Rikers Island, Pretty shure that is the big house! A guy who has done the background checks and gone through the paperwork process is a totaly diferent animal from the guy who bought the gun in a back ally. I feel the sentance is absurd. I got a ticket a few years ago for an expired drivers licence and the cop told me to get it renewed tomorrow and I will tear up the ticket. I i had never had a drivers licence he probobly would have buckeled me up and given me a ride down town.
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salad
climber
Escondido
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
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leave vick and plax alone. i made 10g's betting on the nfl last year.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:53pm PT
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" ...He's a doofus for sure. But you don't punish a guy for "what if?"
Charges like reckless endangerment, attempted murder, etc are "what if" charges.
This guy is a stupid sh*t and gives responsible gun owners a bad name. Knott my poster boy for sure.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
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I wonder what he would do if the judge gave him the option of just going out to the range and shooting himself in the other leg as an alternate sentence,..
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:00pm PT
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Point taken re my "We don't punish for "what if?" comment. Nonetheless, it looks to me like they're making an example out of the guy.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
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Any chance there's a security-camera video of this?
I'd love to see Burrris' reaction, especially with sound.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:25pm PT
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"He's a doofus for sure. But you don't punish a guy for "'what if?'"
Of course you do. Why do you think they arrest and lock up drunk drivers. You just don't let them drive around until they kill someone. I'd like to see a drunk driver argue for a lighter sentence because they only injured themselves.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:29pm PT
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if it was a white NFL receiver (don't laugh, there are a few...), would fattrad call him a "hood thug"? Not trying to call you a racist or anything, but it seems worthwhile to point out when one of us slides from rational discussion to negative, uninformed stereotype.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:37pm PT
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White troublemakers come from trailer parks.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 25, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
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I think the judge was trying to crack down on black on black violence.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Sep 25, 2009 - 02:24pm PT
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Actually, he got off light. I you read the judges sentencing document, you will see that he only got six months for the gun crime, but an additional eighteen months for using the name "Plaxico"....
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sween345
climber
back east
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Sep 25, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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Lest we not forget his sidekick that night, his team mate, the linebacker. This good pal took the offending firearm back to New Jersey, then had his lawyer try to use it as bargaining leverage for immunity. Those guys with the robes just love when you try to strongarm the law.
His defense should be "Wouldn't you help your friend out"
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2009 - 08:16am PT
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I think the guy was an idiot and a dangerous idiot but fer christ sake people serve less time for vehiculer manslaughter. the intent of the law is to give mandatory jail time to hoods with illeagle guns that are used for knocking off liquor stores and gangbanging etc. this gun was purchaced legaly, the paper work was in order but then expired. that is a whole diferent level of violation INMOP from the gun bought in a back alley and carried with the intent to commit a crime. Stupid, hell yes. Dangerous, hell yes! deserving of some jail time? probobly. 2 years of your life is a lond time for a crime that was not commited with bad intent. Look at your own life, think of all that you have accomplished in the last 2 years and then think of that same time in jail. then you can spray about sending annother human to jail for that same ammount of time think about what that will accomplish good or bad... the guy allready lost his job....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 26, 2009 - 11:09am PT
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Its all the parents' fault.
They should go to jail for giving their son a stupid name.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2009 - 07:02pm PT
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He must have passed some sort of test to get that permit. Whomever the instructor was who passed that idiot should share a bit of that jail time;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2009 - 08:18pm PT
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One of the guys from E company 506th Regement 101st Airborn made it throgh all kinds of crazy combat from Normandy to Holland and Overloard and then finaly the Ardens. He got a Luger off of a German officer, stuck it in his pants, shot himself in the femural artery and bled out.. True story, not Hollywood. When my dad was on the ship headded for WWll one of the guys shot himself in the foot with a .45acp with the intent of getting out of combat. He ended up getting a blood clot or some sort of complication from the foot wound and dying...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 26, 2009 - 09:04pm PT
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TMC,
Lugers are cool but they're not THAT cool.
For one thing; if the krauts captured you with one you were shot on the spot.
Nice instinctive shooters, but too many moving parts, tolerances to tight for grit in the field, underpowered (though still quite lethal).
One guy who posts here thinks waist packs are fruity and carries inside the pants, but I say "Who's the fruit? And who's gonna be the fruitee?"
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2009 - 09:26pm PT
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My dad brought a P38 back but pawned it allong with his medals for drinking money in NYC BITD When i read tha account of that Paratrooper shooting himself in the thigh and bleading out it floored me because of all the stuff the guy had been through up to that point. Won't EVER catch me carrying with one up just stuck in the belt ever again. after reading that little bit..
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 26, 2009 - 11:11pm PT
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If it goes into the pants (and that only just as exigent circumstances dictate) the chamber is empty first.
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