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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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"But it IS about liberals getting control of your thought processes, and screwing up everything until you eventually have MASSIVE problems rather than smaller manageable ones."
Rox, the rape and kidnap that you speak of for which that dude was released after serving 10 years of a 50 year sentence happened in Nevada, which is generally a conservative state.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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well of course people in montana and wyoming and colorado and idaho think we are a bunch of idiots, and we are, i like it much better in oregon during the summer, but i remember not long ago there were some hilacious fires in idaho, yellowstone, colorado, ...
i think the only reason that idaho has not torched is becuase it practically burned to the ground a few years ago, all the way up to the sawtooths, finally got close enuff to sun valley and redford, that it mirqaculosly got put out, wtf?
even the indian hot shot team got pushed back. it was a pbs special.
i mean, the season has just started, if this is a precursor of things to come, then look for more hilaciouness in a national forest near you this fall. things have been drying out with this climate change, and you can snap mazanita branches that are two inches in diameter like a dry twig in a stiff desert wind, if you have been hiking in the high chaparella (who was the star of that series?)lately, you know what i am hittin at.
mt wilson has been here since 1907, it always gets a scare every 50 years, but never gets torched completely.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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I give jox, you have all the answers. You must be a very lonely person.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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During the night the fire extended eastward and has encircled Mt.
Vetter and the Chrarlton-Chilao area.
The maps show it burning in Devil's Canyon, on Mt. Mooney, and
threatening Newcomb's Ranch. It has also expanded into the upper West
Fork, burning on the north side virtually all the way down to Cogswell
Reservoir. One lobe appears to be making a run for Mt. Wilson from
the north via the next canyon to the west of Strayne's Canyon.
Another lobe is now burning the south side of Mt. Wilson near the
summit.
Further south, most of Millard Canyon has been engulfed right up to
and including Inspiration Point, however the fire has not worked
downslope to Castle Canyon and Echo Mountain, nor is it on the slopes
of Muir Peak yet.
Northward, most if not all of the Roundtop ridge is toast, including
Granite Mtn and Roundtop, as is Pacifico. The Mt. Hillyer-Sulphur
Springs area has not burned.
Major threats today include upper Devil's Canyon and thence into the
Waterman-Twin Peaks area, Vetter Mtn and the Chilao country, Mt.
Wilson, Muir Peak, and the upper part of Eaton Canyon down to Camp
Idlehour. A northern branch of the fire could crest over Bare
Mountain and thence run further eastward onto Winston Ridge.
If the fire continues unabated for a few more days, it could well burn
all the high country east to Cajon Pass. We'll just have to keep our
fingers crossed and hope that the fire can be tamped down when it
reaches the high country above the chaparral belt.
Pray for rain from Hurricane Jimena down in Baja California.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Hey rokjox, would you mind answering a couple of questions? Have you ever been in the San Gabriels? Do you know the natural and human history of the range?
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Shivasana
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Here's the latest update on the Rokjox Fire from Inciweb:
Incident Type: Flame war
Cause: It's all Cali's fault, isn't it always?
Date of Origin: Sep 1, 2009, 01:25pm PT
Location: Supertopo, "Newcombs Ranch lost to fire"
Current Situation
Total Personnel: 98% of usual ST posters, except maybe for Lynnie who is out "on the road"; too many lurkers to mention. Special mention to Gary and Batrock for extra duty.
Size: 64 posts, so far
Percent Contained: 100% but flair ups expected once RJ wakes up and after he picks up his engine, pacifies wife and grandkids, completes other various chores and errands.
Estimated Containment Date: Only the good Lord knows (maybe)
Planned Actions
Crews will prepare, and protect structures when and where necessary. Additional crews will construct handlines, improve existing lines, burnout as needed, build dozer lines and protect critical communication sites. Firefighters will continue firing and burn operations to help contain the fire.
Growth Potential
Extreme
Terrain Difficulty
Extreme
Hey Rox.... we still love ya!
Eric
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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crusher, that report came from Bob Cates of the Sierra Club by way of an email list. Thanks for posting the CHARA link, very interesting. To see fire between the 100 inch and 60 inch telescopes must have been very disconcerting. As Batten wrote, God save the Hooker.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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I edited out my last comments for niceness.
Sorry, folks.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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Where mental illness is concerned, there is no deterrent harsh enough to prevent all criminal action. Look at Bruno. They burned him at the stake just for saying the earth goes around the sun. He knew the risks.
I think mister Rokjox fails to understand the difference in volatility of our forests between Idaho and Southern California. Rainfall is 10 times lower here and all comes in the winter. Temperatures are 20 degrees higher. Slopes are steeper.
Trying to compare the two states is like comparing the flammability of kerosene and gasoline.
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Ray-J
Social climber
east L.A. vato...
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Plus the scale of things...
San Diego county alone is bigger than Rhode Island.
Miles and miles of chapparel type back country.
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Big Piton
Trad climber
Ventura
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Thanks for the link.
To anybody that has not been in the San Gabriel Mountains. Check out the LA Times today. There are aleast 3 articals about the area. Look up Chilao, a real good tale of good old cowboy stuff. The mtns are so steep that I bet some of the best climbing hasn't been found. There is good climbing 1.5 miles down a cyn out of Chilao Campground. 90 ft routes.
If you haven't been able to tell with my posts I love the area. I even got married at Charlton Flats.
MMM
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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I think in the long run a lot of good will come out of this fire, I only hope that access is not denied for too long, I anticipate closure at least through winter. As was mentioned before there is a lot of hidden rock up there that will be easier to get to now at least for a while. I look at this as a way to start over in many ways.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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I have some news regarding Newcomb's.
After not being able to confirm the destruction of Newcombs anywhere on or off the web, I am not as confident my original source(s) are correct in all the information given in the following email:
Received 9/01/09
Bad news boys:
I don't know how many of you have heard, but I got a text message from Carlos last night at 11:30 saying that Newcombs had caught fire. I called this morning and he said that Victor was the last man standing and that he called to say he was evacuated as the flames over-took the building. He said they tried to save Chilao but lost that battle in addition to Fish Camp, Pacifico, the Cal Trans yard, and pretty much everything else on the mountain.
The end of an era . . .
Paul
Because of the lack of information coming out of the area I am still hopeful that the orginal email was somehow wrong and Newcomb's Ranch is still standing.
My gut tells me otherwise but I'll hope for the best.
-wayne
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Rokjox person....Never address me again.
You do not exist.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Shivasana
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On a somewhat related note, I used to call up the Mt. Waterman ski report just to hear what Lynn Newcomb, Jr. had to say. He provided the best ski reports ever, especially considering the place was open about five days a year.
One of my favorites (and most touching), was his recollection of trudging up through beautiful waist deep snow one morning only to subsequently hear the news of Pearl Harbor from his father.
I miss that guy.
Eric
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Retired Gunkster
climber
SoCal
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FWIW, Newcomb's coordinates are 34.33/-118.002, which is outside (barely) of the fire area shown on the latest LA Times fire map.
Maybe it didn't burn after all; sure hope not.
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