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Loomis
climber
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Wow, that sucks, used to go there all the time when doing new stuff at Horse Flats and environs. : (
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Remember, Joxy don't speak for US.
Just to pump himself up, I guess.
Makes me sad, & embarrassed. Sorry about that.
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nita
climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Thanks.. Skully.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Perhaps you do that too much.
Perhaps.
Don't get roostery with me. I don't play nice.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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FA, Ant Line, Horse Flats
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Years ago maybe 82 or 83 I had just finished top roping Ant Line and was sitting at the base, I noticed a rattler sunning itself on a rock. I started looking around and just in the area around Ant Line I counted 7 rattlers either on or under the rocks near the base. Yikes, snakes give me the creeps and I have always been creeped out bouldering at HF since.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Laguna Beach, CA
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I don't think there are any quick, cheap and easy solutions to fires here in California. Those mountains are too steep and too dry in general to make good grazing. The treed sections are too steep and not productive enough to make it worthwhile to log them in most cases.
There isn't really any way to stop arsonists from torching it every year. There are too many damn people in the teeming millions who live here. Out of that number there's bound to always be a crazy nut.
You can tell people not to build in fire prone areas, but then they'll call you a commie or a socialist for taking away their right to do what they want on their own property.
About all you can do is require people to clear brush from around their homes. Down in Laguna Beach, the city hires this Mexican fellow with a heard of goats. He has a system of moving fencing and those goats do a great job of munching away at the brush. They eat everything.
There are new building materials such that it is possible to have a fireproof house, but there are no codes mandating it. The cost is higher, and as long as you can get insurance, people will build the cheapest way.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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I'm here to tell you they could have put that sucker out last Thursday if they had been willing to commit the resources they are now so futilely expending on it. A couple of drops from the DC-10's and 3 or 4 Skycranes and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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THIS IS GREAT GREAT NEWS!!!!
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN
BURN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Juan
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Those 'proscribed burns' do seem to get out hand a lot.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Look right now I am:
Writing a letter to a cop (community officer) trying to straighten out an irrigation problem ongoing
Mowing the lawn
Supposed to be doing taxes
Trying to find a engine/tranny for my sports car that blew up this week
Posting on the Topo
Answering the phone for my wife's problems
Finding a cheaper place for her drugs
You forgot one:
Making myself look like an idiot by shooting my mouth off about something I'm totally clueless about.
You're deep in a hole. My advice would be to stop digging.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Reilly,
Where the fire started last Thursday the DC-10's were not an option in that type of terrain, they need more open terrain or ridgelines. Also the Azusa fire was about in full swing and resources were committed there. I work for LAFD and I dont know all the details on how resources are ordered up but it's just not as easy as hey we need the sky crane or give me a DC-10. As a captain I can order up as many helicopters as I want from the LAFD if they are available. Today I was looking at the availability of our air fleet and 3 of our 7 water dropping helicopters are down for maintenance. The same goes for any agency such as LA County Fire or Cal Fire. I can guarantee that all available air resources were deployed to the Station Fire from the get go. Also be aware that most agencies do not fly at night LAFD is one of the few agencies that continue to fly at night. Fixed wing are grounded until first light.
Fire is a very dynamic and fluid entity and it moves with a degree of unpredictability. While we do our best to predict fire behavior and the effects weather and terrain will have on it it sometimes throws us a curve ball. My best guess is that this fire will not be completely out until the first significant rain event, then we will be faced with a potentially more devastating problem of debris flows.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Were the guidelines for proscribed burns violated?
The real question is how many upcoming burns are planned in the next weeks and how many of those will get out of control?
Is there a website listing them? Can people go and observe that all precautions are followed? Like the ride along with cops.
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Redwreck
Social climber
Echo Parque, Los Angeles, CA
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Since this wasn't a prescribed burn I'm pretty sure that the guidelines for prescribed burns were, indeed, violated.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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An arsonist is eligible for the death penalty for starting a fire that results in someone's death. It's called the felony murder rule. Charles Manson and others like him are completely irrelevant to the issue.
For the record, there's no evidence to even remotely suggest that capital punishment is effective as a general deterrent. It's just a drum that simpletons and conservatives beat on during election years to convince other simpletons that they're "tough on crime."
Also, burning at the stake would be prohibited by the U.S. Constitution, or don't you believe in that either?
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Corniss Chopper,
What fire was started as a result of a prescribed burn?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Batrock, the Foresta fire in Yosemite started as a prescribed burn of Big meadow and quickly got out of control. It is called the Big meadow fire.
http://inciweb.org/incident/1869/
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Redwreck
Social climber
Echo Parque, Los Angeles, CA
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Batrock: thank you for the work you and your compatriots do. Big respect and gratitude, always.
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robman
climber
Wasangeles
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First Williamson, Now this *#@!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Roxjox,
There isnt a fireline of any size short of a few miles wide that could stop a wind driven Santa Anna wind driven fire. Cutting line like you mention with cables would be impossible in the San Gabriels. There are no easy solutions short of making everyone move into the cities away from wilderness and I certainly would not want that.
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