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Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Aug 28, 2005 - 07:47pm PT
Probably a good idea to have two forums. Most climbers have a comfort zone with other climbers and can talk freely about other things besides climbing without personalizing all the guff and backtalk that are part of what's basically a Tevoed Chat Line. seems to bring out the worst in me, so I'm better off over here by far.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 28, 2005 - 08:15pm PT
If I were Chris, I wouldn't want to start down a path that requres more forum maintenance. Just whach moles for awhile and see what happens.

The difference between climbing and politics/sex/religion gets blurred fast and things go back and forth. For example, Leeper just stopped selling anything to the military. (Besides bolt hangers and pins, he also sells electromagnetic detection gear of some sort) Climbing, Politics, both?

I have dail up myself but don't have any problem choosing what threads to view or not and close the ones that don't interest me. Part of the problem is that, despite so many folks that say they want to read about climbing, there is less posting enthusiasm for the climbing threads, particularly if they aren't spiced up with some almost off topic extra gossip or such.

Want climbing? Post climbing!



Aug 28, 2005 - 09:21pm PT
if we can have a "name that forum" contest to allow for seperate forums, i'm all for it.


Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 09:50pm PT
A bluenose with a stick up her rear wrote:


Is it necessary to abuse T*R like that because you have a difference of opinion with her? She is young but I would not call her a twerp kid. I happen to agree with you about the soft porn but it makes quite a bully of you to attack her like that. She is actually very sweet and I think she offers a youthful perspective and enthusiasm which tends to fade as one ages. It is nice that she is here and brings that perspective to the group.

I think it would be very appropriate if you would apologize to her for your temper. You could strongly disagree with her and make all of the exact same points without stomping all over her like that. Just because you have a normal sex drive does not mean you have to beat up on T*R. Many women believe that men who view porn are disgusting pigs and/or perverts. You did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion. If you are a decent person, I really believe you owe her an apology."

Hey you psychobabbling old biddy, you can BITE ME.

To answer your condescending question, YES, it is absolutely necessary.

TR seeks to censor this site so that it conforms to her notion of what is comfortably viewable at work. That is so fecking stupid as to defy description. As for her youthful perspective, what a load of hogwash. Youthful perspective is historically and mindnumbingly the same since biblical times, and worth exactly nothing in nearly every case. God spare me from 'youthful perspective', or ignorant, self-righteous, wet-behind-the-ears frippery, as it might more aptly be put.

Then you proceed to call me a bully and an abuser???? Get over yourself!! Have you ever been outside your ivory tower? Perhaps someone will buy you a clue one day. Hello, this is the internet.

I'm so happy to see that you feel comfortable enough to discuss my sex drive, how's yours by the way? Getting any these days?

You talk about twerpolumne rainbow as if you know her in person, is that so? Maybe you two can get together and talk about how awful men are sometime.

Just one more point: All men ARE pigs and perverts, by choice! We don't need porn of any sort to help us along that chosen and much preferred path-- preferred to becoming what women, given their druthers would make us into, god forbid.

Please, take your touchy-feely circa 1973 women's group therapy-speak and put it where the sun does not shine.

IF you can't stand the heat, I hope there is a microwave in your kitchen, and you may leave your shoes at the door.

Thank you for showing your true colors by trying to manipulate and berate me into making an undeserved and unecessary apology. If you were a decent person with a sense of humor you would have seen the joke, but women of your ilk have no sense of humor, as you very nicely demonstrated.

But don't feel too bad, (and I know you won't) women have been doing men dirty since Eve. We're used to it.

Ahhh, feel the heat, I love it.


Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 09:53pm PT
Viagra Lardo wrote:

" seems to bring out the worst in me, so I'm better off over here by far.


From what I can see, Crimpergirl brings out the worst in you, in either forum, and from what she tells me, she gets a real laugh out of doing so.


167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Aug 28, 2005 - 09:56pm PT
Chris built this virtual deli. Most people come sit at the tables, get drunk, chat, argue, and occasionally buy one of his sandwiches.

Some people come to the deli just for the world-famous sandwiches, but they get really peeved that so many tables are filled with people that yak endlessly about things other than sandwiches. Even though there is an endless supply of tables, even though they don't have to sit and listen to the others, and even though they are free to talk about sandwiches as much as they want--with only the occasional and minor interruption--to them it just doesn't seem right. They say things like, "how dare they, this place is about sandwiches, dammit!" and "this is a travesty, there oughta be law". They desperately desire that the guy at the other table, who used to be a master sandwich maker, would confide in them all the mysterious sandwich making arcana they so desperately crave, but alas it is not to be, he only speaks of fishsticks, fudgesickles and the Atkin's diet.

Meanwhile, Chris who says things like, "I just want to give back to the sanwich eatin' comminunitty, because ya know, gee whiz, aw shucks, sanwich eatin' has given so much to me," is out as much as possible eating, eating, eating the sandwiches of the world, research he calls it, while at the same time buying property like crazy in the red hot Tahoe market, when of a sudden he gets a call from the deli manager. It turns out the suggestion box has had a few impassioned complaints about people who wilfully refuse to talk about sandwiches.

Chris must make an appearance, because these are the dorks who buy three sandwiches: one to eat now, one to eat later, and one to be kept cryogenically frozen at home and displayed with reverence to all who visit.

But Chris must proceed carefully if he is to continue his research and maintain his portentous property portfolio; on the one hand he must calm the minority dweebs, but on the other hand he cannot be too vociferous lest he drive off the masses that, while definitely less sandwichcentric, actually do buy more sandwiches, all tolled, than their bumbly brethren.

As usual Chris manages, with his endearing Richie Cunninghamesque charm to bring peace to the deli, and one and all proclaim that C-Mac is our "Sandwich Hero".

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:04pm PT
Twerpolumne rainbow wrote:

"i don't care if people look at porn- soft core or not, it doesn't belong on this forum because some people view it in public places- chris mac says its lame too, in his first post, is he a twerp? is not having WCG post those going to keep you from finding such images on your own? you're not capable of finding them yourself?"

First, walk down a street in NYC, you'll see worse posted as advertising than what WCG posts here. Especially in Chelsea, where the boys are prettier than the girls.

Second, walk down a street in europe, you'll see ads for ice cream with bare breasted girls as the draw.

Note that these are public places too. Guess you'll have to start walking aroudn with a blindfold, huh?

Third, yes, Chris Mac is a twerp if he is going to delete WCG's tame but nice images of women, which are never demeaning, gory, or violent, or even truly sexual. But it's his site. And his right to be a twerp, just as it is your right to be a twerp. There is no law against being a twerp. Yet.

FOurth, as for me finding my own soft core porn, yes, I am incapable of finding it myself, and if WCG is prevented from posting the occasional pic to bust up ( hehe, I love puns) a stupid thread every once in a while, then it will cause me undue hard ship, and much mental misery, and I may not be able to get up in the morning and do what must be done. Even if I have a lifetime supply of Powdermilk Biscuits-- heavens, they're tasty!

Kodos would be proud.

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:17pm PT
twerpolumne rainbow wrote:

"uhh you clearly havn't even read my posts?" End twerpolune rainbow quote

Yes, I've read them, until I began to puke.

twerpolumne rainbow wrote:
"i don't care if you look at porn. i don't care if there are non-climbing threads; if i see wcg posting a thread about his asian chicks its a given that i dont' clik on it, so no biggie.. .but i don't want to see it while i'm trying to read about climbing stuff; keep it out of those threas... in threads about motorcyles you could expect that kind of stuff to be posted, and not click on it. so its not big deal..." End twerpolumne rainbow quote

Well see, that's what's so funny, wcg posts those pics in hoplessly idiotic threads to break em up a little. I guess you in your neo-prude state of mind you wouldn't understand that though.

twerpolumne rainbow wrote:
"sorry if you can't handle my opinion, but i didn't read your post, because it would be waste of my time; i'm just some person on the internet so i dont' understand why you're so hoppin' worked up... LOL" End Twerpolumne rainbow quote

Yes, you see, if you read what I said it might have some evil corrupting effect on your brain, and you must keep to the straight and narrow right-minded path of whatever it is that YOU think is Korrect, and you mustn't wast time on the internet, oh no, the internet is MUCH too important to wast time on.

twerpolumne rainbow wrote:
by the way, it was Harry S. Truman who first said, "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"... you need to not plagarise, and give credit where credit is due.. " End twerpolumne rainbow quote.

Well my child, you see, what I wrote is not a quote at all, rather a paraphrasing parody of sorts, but then, I would not exptect you to understand the difference, as you are too young. In truth, if old Harry were alive, I would not think he would want to be credited with what I wrote.

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:22pm PT

Well you sure told me!

Now why in the hell would I ever want to speak with you? You have no sense of humor, you constantly miss the inuendo, and you don't listen very well.

Besides, I've already heard enough psycho-babble to last a lifetime.

167 stinking feet above sea level : (
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:31pm PT
This bickering is definitely not sandwich-related.

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:47pm PT
Loom wrote: "This bickering is definitely not sandwich-related."

Bickering??? Who's bickering? I'm laughing so hard I'm getting an ab workout here.

BTW, your sandwich post was hilarious.

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:09pm PT

Did it cost a lot, and hurt very much, when you had your sense of humor removed? How about when you had the follow up where they placed the long stick in your rectum?

What's it like being a true bluenose biddy, with all that venom stored up inside you?

I'd recommend you to the Bluenose Internet Table of Cold Hearted Evil Spinsters & Spouses, but I think you are a bit extreme even for them.


Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:19pm PT
yes, calling a twerp kid a twerp kid is SUCH abuse!!!!!

OH my dear, my dear, what have I done???

How will I ever live with myself?????

The shame, the shame!

Will Twerpolumne rainbow ever recover from this horrid, traumatic event???

Will Dirtineye ever live down the shame, or be able to function without the depraved PORN of WCG?

Will Lois ever get that stick out of her ass???

Stay tuned to, As The Topo Turns!!!!

Aug 28, 2005 - 11:29pm PT
ROTFLMAO! Of all the threads for a flame war to break out in!

I Love it..Love it..LOL!

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:48pm PT
Hey, Chris,

I've read your "rules of Supertopo.Ē I donít see any rules.

I think itís too late to do anything about the complaints. Youíve left the barn door open; closing the door wonít do any good. The behaviors on Supertopo have been socialized. What you see is what this community is.

Political types wonít go gently to a political forum. Itíll be a death to them. Hijacking must be done where itís not wanted.

In the end, you must decide. Youíre the CEO. Make a decision.

Is the Forum readership the same readership that buys your books? If not, then youíre serving too many customer groups for a little company. Your books and its readersó5.6-5.9 climbers--are the basis for your brand. (This from one of your colleagues I met at The Needles last week.)

Build and protect your companyís brand. (If youíre not building brand, then youíre spending itóand that well is surprisingly shallow.) To build and protect a brand, a company must be extremely clear, disciplined, and focused on who it serves, what it promises, and how well itís delivering on those promises.


Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:52pm PT
I'll certainly be thinking twice about the things I post now (funny or not)...This is a cool thing and I wouldn't want to see it Mucked Up!

Aug 29, 2005 - 12:22am PT
MikeL, Man , you need to chill out. You are wired way too tight and come across as seething with suppressed anger. That could cause a dude to blow a puckerstring. Chris will work this out to suit his needs. Maybe he will run all of us off except you. Either way, it's his affair and I'd give odds the sun will rise tomorrow somewhere.

Trad climber
the south
Aug 29, 2005 - 12:59am PT
Oh good grief, Ouch! is damned right about it MikeL, CHILL!

Even if Mr Stupid Tacos bans me, if I ever want a topo of some route out west I'll buy one of his. Even if he is a T-W-E-R-P-enabler.

But Ouch, I have not flamed here, not really. I am retired from flaming for several years, after reducing a grown man to raving, foaming at the mouth, incoherent lunacy, in print yet, over, well, nothing. YOU gotta retire after a thing like that, it can never be equaled. Besides, it's a terrible thing to watch someone self destruct on the internet.

I did set Kodos off a while back but that was an accident, and started over the phone, and besides he can't really help it, when the must is upon him.

However, I can't resist a good poke (hehe) at a self rightoeus female, especially one who does not know what being trolled is.

Lois, being trolled sucessfully means someone got your goat, and good. IT means biting hook line and sinker on a bait to powerful to resist. It means your chain has been yanked, HARD.

But this last bit was not a true troll. There was a bit of self inflammation there. I just... fanned the coals a bit.

Flames? No. Smoulder?? Hehe, hell yeah!

Mountain climber
Aug 29, 2005 - 01:22am PT
This seems to work pretty well on other boards

When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike, and that's where the fun is! Also, note that messages express the thoughts of the writers, not the board or its moderators.

Aug 29, 2005 - 01:24am PT
Jousting and gouging is good sport as long as no one gets too mad and gets their feelings hurt to where it lasts for more than 10 minutes. LOL!

You gotta be able to laugh at yourself.
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