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Michael Moron
Social climber
Davison, MI
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:07am PT
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I think ouch and matt start more non-climbing bullshit posts than the rest of the ST users combined.
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Ouch!
climber
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:11am PT
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I agree, if both sides are not enjoying it, it's time to call in the dogs, pee on the fire, blow out the lantern and head for the house.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:16am PT
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Sorry,
I will go back on my meds.
Juan
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Ouch!
climber
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:22am PT
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Lois, you asked about what being trolled meant. Well, the Moron just tried to troll me with a weak lame. A lame is when some genius tries to set water on fire with a paper match.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:36am PT
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Lois, take a pill.
You don't really believe all that nonsense you spew do you?
BTW, have you considered working for homeland security, the TSA, or some other para-military covert government agency, where your venom, vitriol, and general paranoia could be put to better use?
You need some serious time in the time out chair, Lois.
Ass for the rest of you PC wankers, you act like you've never been around any climbers at all.
Oh and Lois, T1 on your latest effort. Nice try though! And if you are serious, I only travel great distances to see people I actually know and like and have things in common with. That makes you quite safe.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 29, 2005 - 03:02am PT
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For MikeL
My guess is that the forum is more than a luxury item extra for a publisher's website. It also brings in beta and history that's valuable in the writing of those books, and the activity in the forum rises the Supertopo profile on search engines.
Ironically, it was just earlier this year, late last year, that the supertopo forum was all the buzz, the place to be. In fact, it's never been better. We have Werner Braun, Duecey, Fish, Eric Kohl, Breedlove and a host of other old schoolers from back in the day sharing their thoughts here. How cool is that? Many of the folks here wouldn't feel comfortable approaching these guys in the camp 4 parking lot but here, in this venue, we're more equal, and we're being in community.
When the forum first started, it was infinitely nastier and unhelpful than it is now. Some folks like it that way, but I think it got better when you had to register.
I think Chris would be right not to fiddle too hard with a good thing. A little medicine is all it takes.
My guess is that we got a tad overheated here and there at the wrong time, and that Hardman and others pulled Chris's chain about it. (Sorry Dave if I'm speculating about you)
Rumors of problems in the forum are greatly exaggerated. We have a thread on adjustable daisies with the Lord Gods of Aid weighing in with technical details and slander too. My guess is that too restrictive a forum will kill the content that brings their perverse minds in for a visit, and then get sucked into helping with info.
Life is good. Sometimes folks have bad days. See above.
Peace
karl
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MikeL
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2005 - 11:59am PT
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Hiya, Karl:
I should have sent my comments directly to Chris. I can see that now. My bad.
Actually, I’m not mad at anyone. In fact, I don’t have enough time to cruise this site like most of you, so I can’t really get that passionately involved in most of the conversations here. (Please don’t take that wrong, either.) The title of this thread caught my eye though.
I was providing another viewpoint to Chris that, as a CEO (as he is) of a company, he should be thinking about. Management and leadership are demanding challenges, and sometimes hard decisions need to be made so that an organization serves others best.
I don’t doubt that people get value out of the Forum (hey, look at all the posts). That’s not the point. The point is that all resources are scarce, and every organization should think long and hard about where they spend them, especially little companies.
Brand name / equity may be the most valuable asset that Supertopo has (other than market access to network contacts); hence brand must constantly be built and nurtured with those scarce resources. To undertake any activity that does not build or nurture brand spends it. Do that too long (squander resources), and a company won’t have enough to further the organization, its mission, or properly serve customers. It’s one of the biggest reasons why past successful companies die off every year: they don’t focus, they prematurely diversify, and they get distracted. You may not know it, but the membership of the Fortune 500 changes by 50% every 25 years. There is a reason for that: they get full of themselves, they think they can do anything and everything, and they lose focus on a target customer group and its needs.
My comments were business comments. Perhaps they are inappropriate here on Supertopo. I’ll keep that in mind next time.
Peace out, Karl.
ml
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Mick K
climber
Northern Sierra
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Aug 29, 2005 - 12:33pm PT
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Real names for all posters would cause eveyone to think twice.
Own what you say.
Fattrad have you ever given your real name or are you afraid?
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Aug 29, 2005 - 12:51pm PT
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Caaaaaaaaaaaaaan you feel the loooooooooooooooooove tonight?
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Mick K
climber
Northern Sierra
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Aug 29, 2005 - 12:55pm PT
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Fattrad-I always though you were actually Jody. Never saw you two in the same place.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Aug 29, 2005 - 01:06pm PT
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...or his evil overweight unwelcome uncle that always looks at the neighbor kids in a way that creeps everyone out.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Aug 29, 2005 - 01:15pm PT
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Dirtineye wrote:
Viagra Lardo wrote:
"RC.com seems to bring out the worst in me, so I'm better off over here by far.
JL"
From what I can see, Crimpergirl brings out the worst in you, in either forum, and from what she tells me, she gets a real laugh out of doing so."
Good to know I'm keeping the mood light. The fact that you've swerved the thread into this rut is another reason to have two channels for this forum--one for climbing related stuff, another for us to clown around.
JL
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 29, 2005 - 01:35pm PT
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For MikeL
I have done bad too. I understood your comments were business comments and the first lines of my reply addressed to you were business comments too. Then, without noting it, I started babbling about the forum in general. It's my opinion that an active and even controversial forum is highly beneficial to the Supertopo brand, and that the less it's moderated, the less time and resource it cost's Chris.
For everybody else
This thread cracks me up. It's like when the bad kids are lined up in front of mom and dad to explain why they were fighting and they start pointing fingers and fighting all over again!
Jeff, kudos for coming out of the closet, I mean, boardroom. Can I call you Jeff in the forum now or do you want to stay "fatty?"
Peace
karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:03pm PT
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You should Invade Burger King Fatty!
It's obviously an anti-democratic institution that need to be occupied!
And they have weapons of Ass Contruction! WACs
Peace
karl
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:10pm PT
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how about a new rule, one where if someone who posts emails you personally to whine about non climbing subject posts on supertopo, that person gets automatically deleted from posting...
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coolclimber
Trad climber
toronto,canada
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Aug 29, 2005 - 02:47pm PT
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very well written by LEB and supporting another member is a very honorable thing to do. she is right and has the right perspective on the male psyche and ego,hopefully chris will get the gist and do the right thing. looking forward to the outcome
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Mill Valley
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Aug 29, 2005 - 03:34pm PT
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Karl wrote:
When the forum first started, it was infinitely nastier and unhelpful than it is now. Some folks like it that way, but I think it got better when you had to register.
Are you kidding? The forum was pretty useless before registration.
It was far, far worse than the RC.com Community forum ever was.
I had stopped using the forum several months before Chris started the registration.
I think Chris would be right not to fiddle too hard with a good thing. A little medicine is all it takes.
Chris isn't going to do much fiddling. As he said, he's too busy actually climbing.
It's still pretty much anything goes––he just doesn't want to see mutilated
bodies on the site, and he doesn't want the political or flaming threads to cause
the climbing threads to be overshadowed too much.
My guess is that we got a tad overheated here and there at the wrong time, and that Hardman and others pulled Chris's chain about it. (Sorry Dave if I'm speculating about you)
That's a pretty good guess, but let me clarify from my viewpoint:
A couple weeks ago, Chris asked me to put up a Tahoe Bouldering photo-gallery for him.
I was in BC for 2 1/2 weeks, so I did it last monday before I headed up to Lover's Leap for the (last) week.
Chris was disappointed that the gallery post stayed on the front page only briefly,
because of a lot of the OT posts that were being made.
Also, I indeed e-mailed Chris (as I'm sure did others) that an extremely graphic pic of a guy whose head
had been blown off was posted to the site. So it was a matter of timing.
You gotta love Chris' hands-off approach to forum management.
I believe it has lots to do with why it's so popular these days.
Simply put, Chris doesn't want rotten.com or ogrish.com pics posted here.
I actually told Chris that I personally didn't have a problem with the scantily-clad
pics that were being posted (ha ha), and that they appeared to be popular with others....
In fact, if any females are offended, perhaps Waterchossguy could also post
some shirtless dude pics for the ladies––in order to balance things out a bit.
Rumors of problems in the forum are greatly exaggerated. We have a thread on adjustable daisies with the Lord Gods of Aid weighing in with technical details and slander too. My guess is that too restrictive a forum will kill the content that brings their perverse minds in for a visit, and then get sucked into helping with info.
Well put. Minimal management seems to work best!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 29, 2005 - 03:56pm PT
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"Karl wrote:
When the forum first started, it was infinitely nastier and unhelpful than it is now. Some folks like it that way, but I think it got better when you had to register."
Hardman then wrote:
Are you kidding? The forum was pretty useless before registration.
It was far, far worse than the RC.com Community forum ever was.
I had stopped using the forum several months before Chris started the registration.
Karl now writes:
I'm agreeing with you Dave. For the sake of balance there were some sickos that liked the slander fest that the pre-reg forum was. I think registration was good for it.
Peace
karl
PS Keeping any Gallery post up is going to require some kind of sticky or intentional bumping. Even the climbing threads will sink it asap.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 29, 2005 - 04:24pm PT
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My two cents: In the short time that I have been visiting and contributing (I hope constructively) to the forum, I have gotten to like it and the people on it, even Michael Moron, Mountain Man, Fattrad and HowweirdDean (I just don't agree with them). While I never left climbing, I did curtail my climbing activities over the years, but now that I am ramping up that activity, this site provides me with a lot of useful info. I thank you all, sincerely.
I think it would be a shame if Chris had to regulate it much more than it is. I think as a community we should go in for a bit more self-regulation. Flaming is okay I guess, though sometimes it can get out of hand, but the sexual crap and pictures of dead people are OTT. That said, I did put a link up to a climbing accident video that, on reflection, may have been a bit tasteless, so I'll delete it if it hasn't already been.
Oops, this is more like twenty cents.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Aug 29, 2005 - 06:20pm PT
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Dirtineye wrote:
From what I can see, Crimpergirl brings out the worst in you, in either forum, and from what she tells me, she gets a real laugh out of doing so."
JL responds:
Good to know I'm keeping the mood light. The fact that you've swerved the thread into this rut is another reason to have two channels for this forum--one for climbing related stuff, another for us to clown around.
JL
CG exclaims:
I actually do some work for a couple of days and come back to this? I keep reading Dirt's comment and can't decide if he was being funny, or jabbing a knife in my back. (I apologize in advance if I misinterpreted your comments Dirt. Either way, you're still a bud).
Just to be clear, I think JL is awesome, have nothing but respect for him and his sense of humor, and am thrilled that he's willing to engage in occasional banter with me. Actually, this goes for all of you here. I don't agree with everyone on this site, but I am happy to have made everyone's acquaintance. Thanks for letting me play in the sand box!
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