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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 12, 2008 - 11:30pm PT
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Alright, seriously, if you are on ridge traverse and cannot find a place to bury 6"deep in a discreet locale off the route, maybe a wag-bag should be considered. Maybe bring a couple. Hold it as long as possible until a 'bury spot' is found off trail. If not, use the bag.
Happy? How many people are on ridge traverses in those conditions? Not a lot. That makes the 'under-Cairn' surprise a legit option. Hell, in places like that the weather cleanses the joint every year.
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apogee
climber
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Dec 13, 2008 - 12:54am PT
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Those of you who comment to the effect that these various sh*t management techniques are disgusting and over the top reflects that you probably don't travel into heavily used backcountry areas much. Either that, or you are the source of the TP I found under rocks, blowing in the wind, or floating along the shore of some heavily used backcountry lake.
Smearing is definitely NOT appropriate for front- or mid- (?) country locations (i.e. most commonly used JT crags, TM & Cathedral Peak), since the risk of 'discovery' is unacceptably high, and getting into a well-treed area is oftentimes a viable option, or just hold it until you get to one of the world-famous JT sh*thouses. In truly backcountry areas, well above treeline (where burying basically preserves the turd), and where the likelihood of another human following your path is extremely remote, it just might be the best option.
The choice of technique is highly variable, according to the specific environment you are in, and the judgement & experience of the person (and just how badly you have to go). It should come as no surprise that the NPS would advise against smearing, since their public recommendations always are aimed at the lowest common denominator.
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Dec 13, 2008 - 10:00am PT
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I am pretty much a bury kind of guy. I do go for the high and far rule of thumb (get off the beatten path). On a recent trip to Red Rocks I was amazed to see full wag bags in a few areas, at least 4 in the Kraft Mountain bouldering area. I would much rather see a pile of sh#t than a bag of sh#t. What is up with that practice?
Prod.
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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Dec 13, 2008 - 10:27am PT
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The smear is cool in the right backcountry local,let the sun do it's job. burying lets the turd fester to contaminate at a later date (i.e. high ground water-snow melt),In winter try a poop bomb, mini version of wall tube, on longer tours find a good sunny spot to smear, to lighten your load. Happy pooooping!!!!!!!
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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Dec 13, 2008 - 11:37am PT
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"3 day ridge traverse with full packs"? Oh really.
(Expect full trip report, complete with pooping details I'm sure.)
Personally, I don't think I could eat enough to get rid of much on a trip like that. The couple of little tiny things that might come out would wind up under a rock, as far off route as possible.
If I was a big pooper, I would wag bag it, and I would buy them in a kit, not try a home made version that would probably leak.
Thread drift Poll: how many of you gals use tp when you pee in the woods? What do you do with it?
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Michelle
Trad climber
El Frickin' Paso
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Dec 13, 2008 - 01:09pm PT
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this is simple. take a bunch of immodium. don't sh#t.
julia - no tp in the back country, drip dry. easier that way. for other uses of tp, I burn it usually.
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nature
climber
Somewhere else....
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Dec 13, 2008 - 01:17pm PT
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sierra smear.
I used that technique out at winslow wall. I'd go out there ever weekend for a few summers in a row. I visited the same spot every morning. I was amazed that when I went back the following week there was no sign of my "being" there.
it dries up and turns to dust. the wind takes it away.
Flat rocks in place of TP...
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Dec 13, 2008 - 02:18pm PT
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Used to smear the crap into neat pictographs in the alpine high. Started carrying a small pooptube, and it does well at taking ALL of the waste out, even the wee bits of snack wrappers.
We don't need more Scratch-N-Sniffs in the Sierra!
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apogee
climber
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Dec 13, 2008 - 04:22pm PT
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Dec 13, 2008 - 04:42pm PT
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I bury and pack out all TP. I generally avoid places like Whitney and such that are so crowded you now have to pack out yer own poop. Pretty dang gross, but I understand why it's needed. I'm not exactly ancient (46), but it sure has been a drag to see how impacted so many places have become. Lovin' it all to death (poop).
It's been great to live until this age, but it's been a bit sad to see the passing of so many freedoms. I've seen the closing and regulating of so many free, wild camping areas. Many posters here remember the free off-season Camp 4 days, the endless hangs in Josh, the free, open-ended camping at the Leap. My first trips to the Canadian Rockies featured all kinds of free camping--Cougar Canyon, on the creek below Edith Cavell, Yamnuska--all history now! Regulated, closed, FEE'd. Now even your poop is regulated. CRAP! What's a guy to do?
Scott
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 13, 2008 - 07:58pm PT
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I agree with Adam..I believe LNT changed there positon of the smear....Saying that it ends up streading the bacteria into a larger area.
Leave it in a pile... I guess
Please pack out your TP. Don't burn it...it never burns all the way.
I like the Sh*t frisbee....if there is no WAG bag or soil you can find.
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
http://tinyurl.com/4oa5br
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Dec 13, 2008 - 09:22pm PT
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Use the LBP.
Worked for me, Special Forces, Nam, 68, there we were, Charlie Company clears the ridge with a whole regimen, would have sh#t my pants without the LBP.
Soon as you sh#t, Charlie is onto you like white on rice.
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Erik of Oakland
Gym climber
Oakland
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2008 - 11:47pm PT
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this may come across the internet as sarcasm but it isn't
I worry about Charlie. A lot.
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