what's wrong with Scientology?


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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 26, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Prolly right but at least he got milked! Lol. She appears to be warm. Lastun's just a cold fish. Harhar


Jan 26, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Hey, anyone got any good Katie Holmes boobie shots they'd like to share?
Tony Bird

Northridge, CA
Jan 27, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
there are a couple of interesting listings of "famous" scientologists. i'd say maybe 10 percent are names which are generally recognizable. the rest are actors who had a role in a movie or television show which might be recognizable. and not much "famous" outside of showbiz.

you do have to hand it to scientology--it has a considerable presence in hollywood. it doesn't take much inducement for a frustrated youngster off the bus from terre haute to walk in the front door of their "celebrity center" to see what it's all about and decide maybe it's the ticket to networking in a cold, cruel industry.

the ranks of scientology are heavy with the pretty. hollywood is flooded with the merely pretty trying to cash in on--being merely pretty. then you have those who've gotten themselves miserably addicted to one drug or another. some turn to christianity. i guess scientology has its own offering. if life got better for you, you have my congratulations. maybe you never did much thinking for yourself in the first place, so you don't even miss it.

Somewhere out there
Jan 27, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Ö. you mean aside from its cult status?

Big Mike

Trad climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Spider- You still haven't really told us what the church is to you or how it helps you in your everyday life? Could you possibly elaborate on that?

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Scientology's "hole"


lovely organization!

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
A bunch of people who think that they are their own God. That way they only have to answer to themselves.
Thatís my take on it anyway.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Being a hot celebrity probably helps.

Being a hot celebrity with a hard-ass dad and brother who are divorce lawyers probably helps more.

Trad climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
L.Ron Hoover....you're a latent appliance fetsishist it appears to me. -FZ

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
In the same class of cults

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Big Mike - Thanks for asking. I see you are a real climber too.

1. Communication - as in stuff you never learned from school or at home. Scientology offers a Communication course at the front door. Communication as in to talking to people and being understood. This is the true foundation of the whole movement. Upper levels just lead you to being better at just getting on with others. I'm currently on my 25th anniversary retread of the professional level communications training required to work as a counsellor. In going over the material again I found some hidden gems that will help me to listen to others and be less of an overbearing as#@&%e at times. My climbing partners should notice a difference.

2. Understanding human emotion. In the book Science of Survival, Hubbard lays out a Chart of Human Evaluation and explains each part of it in detail. This is some really valuable information that allows me to accurately predict human behavior. This allows me to make friends with just about anyone and has helped me greatly in surviving a career in the Los Angeles advertising agency scene.

3. Dealing with problems in life. Helping get past the petty problems that are thrust on me and onto some nice big ones that are problems of my choosing.

4. Financial Conditions; There is a very workable philosophy from the book Introduction to Scientology Ethics. Following these common sense steps can get you through rough times and into the black. I have made way more money throughout my life because of this than I would have otherwise. Making money is not a matter of luck. It is a matter of effectiveness.

There are many other facets to this philosophy but these would be the top 5 every day useful things.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Scientology is hard for many people in the Western World to grasp because it is more like an Eastern Religion.

In the Americas and Europe you grow up with one big God and worship worship worship. The reason to do that is so you don't burn in hell when you die (so they say).

In Eastern religions, that haven't been twisted into Western style dogma, you have the individual searching for enlightenment; Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Confucius, and some bits of Hinduism. Scientology is more like that, yet completely different in it's path to enlightenment.

As a young man I rejected monothesitic dogma and found metaphysics. I wanted to know more about creating reality and past lives and immortality. Lots of people talkin' but nobody with any way to get there. After actively searching I found Scientology and there it was. Everything I wanted was all laid out I just had climb up that ladder (or cross the Bridge as we call it on the inside).

Pretty much all the crap said about Scientology is exactly opposite.

What would happen if something really good came along?

Don't you think it would piss off a lot of people who had a vested interest in keeping things the way they are.

If want to know about Scientology, you need to get it direct from Hubbard through a book, or a video or class. We don't interpret his work. We like to get it directly.

People who "investigate" it are full of crap. They think they see an easy way to make a buck.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
What about the space aliens? That seems like the best part.

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
People who "investigate" it are full of crap. They think they see an easy way to make a buck.

I'm not trying to make a buck. Scientology is, on the other hand.

I don't buy it.

Knowledge should be free to anyone who asks, especially spiritual knowledge, should not be kept secret.

Scientology is a secret society. Secret knowledge is corrupt knowledge. Secrets are kept in order to exercise control over (the minds and finances and labor) of other people.

It is a cult. If you quit you must sever all ties to any family still "bought" in to the church.

Effing, wake up and think for your self.

(Jeez, and I thought Mormonism was crazy)

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 7, 2013 - 09:16pm PT

Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.
L. Ron Hubbard

* Response to a question from the audience during a meeting of the Eastern Science Fiction Association on (7 November 1948), as quoted in a 1994 affidavit by Sam Moskowitz.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
I wanted to know more about creating reality

You must have given the Republican party serious consideration.

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
check out this new book on Scientology:


Pretty crazy stuff the author talked about yesterday on The Colbert Report...beatings, involuntary confinement, blackmail...
Then again, I woke up this morning to more news of Cardinals covering up child sex crimes....
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
check out this new book on Scientology:

If its all lies concocted for the purpose of making money as Spider suggests then I'm sure it could be prosecuted in civil court, something that Scientology obviously has no problem with as they have a history of doing just that.

Would you say that is accurate Spider?

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 8, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
I heard the interview with the author on NPR yesterday and he sounded very honorable. He made it sound as though while The Church's lawyers have made lots of threatening noises they haven't actually filed anything against him, yet. That speaks volumes as to the veracity of the book.
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