nutjob
Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 18, 2008 - 01:16pm PT
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I'm too lazy to research it. Only weird thing I've seen is some Tom Cruise interview where he said "if I see a car accident, I have to stop, because I know I'm the only one who can help" or something like that.
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:46pm PT
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This famous article critical of Scientology has been awarded the Gerald Loeb Award for distinguished business and financial journalism, the Worth Bingham Prize and the Conscience in Media Awards from the American Society of Journalists and Authors.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html
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Dingus Milktoast
climber
NorCal
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:49pm PT
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Read
"Battlefield Earth."
and then understand - those people think that's for real.
That's all you need bro.
Also, understand that cults are religious ponzi schemes designed to exploit the newer members for the benefit of the inner circle.
DMT
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:53pm PT
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Read "Diuretics" by L.Ron Hubbard. It's the science of matter over mind.
Would you trust someone who wears am ascot?
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Dingus Milktoast
climber
NorCal
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:56pm PT
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^^^^ Never and I mean NEVER trust a man wearing an ascot.
Never.
"Read "Diuretics" by L.Ron Hubbard. It's the science of matter over mind. "
Nah. Just PISS on it!
(that's GOLD JERRY, GOLD!)
DMT
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 18, 2008 - 01:57pm PT
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Can anyone who has a beef with Scientology tell us what's wrong with it, in your own words, without refering to an article someplace someone else wrote or a film on YouTube?
Or are you content to let others do your thinking for you?....Just like the Scientologists.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:08pm PT
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Just another group trying to tell us what and how to think. A very powerful group at that. Something like it's O.K. to be a rich, powerful prick, it doesn't matter how many little pricks you step on... When I research stuff like that , I look at money and motives, and membership.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:16pm PT
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Anyone know a Scientologist?
Prod.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:21pm PT
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Yes. I do. or did.
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:27pm PT
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L. Ron Hubbard wrote in a letter to his wife Polly (October 1938)
-"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."-
Quoted in Bare-faced Messiah: The True Story of L. Ron Hubbard (1987), p. 81
-"'know, we're all wasting our time writing this hack science fiction! You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion!"-
As reported to Mike Jittlov by Theodore Sturgeon as a statement Hubbard made while at the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society clubhouse in the 1940s.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:35pm PT
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I always loved that quote and it makes good ammo for debate. When I look at these public Scientologists I just see more not to like, than I care to stomach. They are way too far into mass media manipulation.
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Shrug
Trad climber
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:36pm PT
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I'm not at all a religious person, but I find a "religion" founded by a Science Fiction writer that uses a contraption(lack of a better word)to determine one's happiness a bit... um... "F*#ked up". What's next a religion based on Star Trek...
Oh.. wait...
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Dingus Milktoast
climber
NorCal
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:36pm PT
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chaz I already did. You're welcome.
DMT
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 18, 2008 - 02:57pm PT
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all them cults are kinda scary in a way...
kinda like what I saw working for
big "P" in Ventura back in the 80's....
the cult leader would get up in front
of everyone and galvanize the audience
by demonizing sport climbing...everyone
applauds; too weird.
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Sep 18, 2008 - 03:02pm PT
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Pretty much all religions are self serving schemes to one degree or another. Scientology just happens to be more blatant. At least there's no Scientology Fundamentalists blowing sh#t up.
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Sewellymon
climber
.....in a single wide......
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Sep 18, 2008 - 03:03pm PT
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Chaz asked, "Can anyone who has a beef with Scientology tell us what's wrong with it, in your own words.."
Here is my story. 1980- was 23. Flew up from LA to Davis to interview for a job at UC Davis. I was supposed to have a place to stay for the night B4 I bussed over to Yosemite for a few weeks. Did the interview, but the place to stay fell through. Did not know what to do, so I did some buildering on campus to kill time. Fellow student chatting me up while I scale walls. He says he thinks he’s got a couch I can stay on.
Turns out to be his Scientology mentor's house and couch.. .
...and before I get to lay my head to pillow, I had to sit through a 2 hour Intro-to-Scientology session that evening. Mildly stimulating at best. OK- I want to go catch some zzzzz’s. Except- they would NOT let me be until I dropped $15 for their intro book. Communication- the book is titled. This their first step towards an enlighted self. Communicate well with others. Uh-huh.
Except i was staying in Yosemite and Tuolumne for 2 weeks, and needed every cent I had. I fought hard to keep my greenbacks, but was no match for their relentless mental arm-twisting. I ponied up the $15, got a safe night’s sleep, plus a ride to the bus station.
I actually perused the book a little while in Tuolumne. I mentioned it (and Scientology) to Randy Vogel, and he snapped me back to reality. Told me in no uncertain terms that Scientology was absolute bullsh*t. I knew this, but was already mildly under the spell. Never looked back, but I sure remember that taste of relentless mental arm-twisting.
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