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Social climber
los angeles
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
The German government still hates us though

yes, I believe Scientology hired Bill Clinton (President Bill Clinton) to lobby the German govt on behalf of Scientology, no?

some Democrats here may want to re-think their beloved ex-President

Dave Kos

Social climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:26pm PT

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT

"some Democrats here may want to re-think their beloved ex-President"...

Dude got "HEAD" in the fuking Oval office...

He's reached HERO status in my book...

Social climber
los angeles
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:32pm PT

kos, if you wanna vote repub and hate homosexuals, well, I can't stop you from doing that

...but it appears that Bill Clinton probably took loads of dirty $$$$ from a criminal cult that suppresses free speech and operates its own miniature Gitmo!!!!



Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:36pm PT

"but it appears that Bill Clinton probably took loads"...

Don't you mean, Monica???...


Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
you pimp-ass monks will never have the coin to find out about this stuff in the first place, so why bother to even worry about it?

ha ha ha, suffer on with yo broke azz!

hide the money y'all, theirs po folks in the house,

these folks get all excited about finding a free biner, so how the heck are they gonna make it thru life repair?

scirntology is about good people getting better,

no losers allowed.

we don't want you contaminating our space,

(just trying to stimulate rude conversation to keep this thread at the top and the advertising revenue coming in,)

Dave Kos

Social climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
but it appears


Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
mod squad?

here is the order of operations:

1. get teeth fixed

2. get scientology

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Good teeth are essential to maintaining a psychic connection with Xenu . . .

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
but your problem is mental, not dental,

just like david lee roth,

Forrest B.

Trad climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
How the hell did this cult achieve religion status. What other religion charges for goods and services?

Just a quick google search explains soo much. So many people ripped off.

Secret meetings by managers, discussing which members have the most money and deciding who they should target.


Any tacos involved should leave asap.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
It was ordained.


.....in a single wide......
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
i just read this .. pretty much confirms what I'd read previously.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 25, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Paul Haggis, director of Crash and a few other superb films. Scientologist.

Someone who clearly has benefited from the disciplines and philosophies provided by scientology yet is capable of calling bulllshit when he spots institutional immorality.

Thankssewelymon. I think its worth posting the text, for spiders benefit.


Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology.
FEBRUARY 14, 2011
Asked how high he got in Scientology’s levels of study, Haggis said, “All the way to the top.”

On August 19, 2009, Tommy Davis, the chief spokesperson for the Church of Scientology International, received a letter from the film director and screenwriter Paul Haggis. “For ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology of San Diego,” Haggis wrote. Before the 2008 elections, a staff member at Scientology’s San Diego church had signed its name to an online petition supporting Proposition 8, which asserted that the State of California should sanction marriage only “between a man and a woman.” The proposition passed. As Haggis saw it, the San Diego church’s “public sponsorship of Proposition 8, which succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California—rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state—is a stain on the integrity of our organization and a stain on us personally. Our public association with that hate-filled legislation shames us.” Haggis wrote, “Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent.” He concluded, “I hereby resign my membership in the Church of Scientology.”

Haggis was prominent in both Scientology and Hollywood, two communities that often converge. Although he is less famous than certain other Scientologists, such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta, he had been in the organization for nearly thirty-five years. Haggis wrote the screenplay for “Million Dollar Baby,” which won the Oscar for Best Picture in 2004, and he wrote and directed “Crash,” which won Best Picture the next year—the only time in Academy history that that has happened.

Davis, too, is part of Hollywood society; his mother is Anne Archer, who starred in “Fatal Attraction” and “Patriot Games,” among other films. Before becoming Scientology’s spokesperson, Davis was a senior vice-president of the church’s Celebrity Centre International network.

In previous correspondence with Davis, Haggis had demanded that the church publicly renounce Proposition 8. “I feel strongly about this for a number of reasons,” he wrote. “You and I both know there has been a hidden anti-gay sentiment in the church for a long time. I have been shocked on too many occasions to hear Scientologists make derogatory remarks about gay people, and then quote L.R.H. in their defense.” The initials stand for L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, whose extensive writings and lectures form the church’s scripture. Haggis related a story about Katy, the youngest of three daughters from his first marriage, who lost the friendship of a fellow-Scientologist after revealing that she was gay. The friend began warning others, “Katy is ‘1.1.’ ” The number refers to a sliding Tone Scale of emotional states that Hubbard published in a 1951 book, “The Science of Survival.” A person classified “1.1” was, Hubbard said, “Covertly Hostile”—“the most dangerous and wicked level”—and he noted that people in this state engaged in such things as casual sex, sadism, and homosexual activity. Hubbard’s Tone Scale, Haggis wrote, equated “homosexuality with being a pervert.” (Such remarks don’t appear in recent editions of the book.)

In his resignation letter, Haggis explained to Davis that, for the first time, he had explored outside perspectives on Scientology. He had read a recent exposé in a Florida newspaper, the St. Petersburg Times, which reported, among other things, that senior executives in the church had been subjecting other Scientologists to physical violence. Haggis said that he felt “dumbstruck and horrified,” adding, “Tommy, if only a fraction of these accusations are true, we are talking about serious, indefensible human and civil-rights violations.”

Online, Haggis came across an appearance that Davis had made on CNN, in May, 2008. The anchor John Roberts asked Davis about the church’s policy of “disconnection,” in which members are encouraged to separate themselves from friends or family members who criticize Scientology. Davis responded, “There’s no such thing as disconnection as you’re characterizing it. And certainly we have to understand—”

“Well, what is disconnection?” Roberts interjected.

“Scientology is a new religion,” Davis continued. “The majority of Scientologists in the world, they’re first generation. So their family members aren’t going to be Scientologists. . . . So, certainly, someone who is a Scientologist is going to respect their family members’ beliefs—”

“Well, what is disconnection?” Roberts said again.

“—and we consider family to be a building block of any society, so anything that’s characterized as disconnection or this kind of thing, it’s just not true. There isn’t any such policy.”

In his resignation letter, Haggis said, “We all know this policy exists. I didn’t have to search for verification—I didn’t have to look any further than my own home.” Haggis reminded Davis that, a few years earlier, his wife had been ordered to disconnect from her parents “because of something absolutely trivial they supposedly did twenty-five years ago when they resigned from the church. . . . Although it caused her terrible personal pain, my wife broke off all contact with them.” Haggis continued, “To see you lie so easily, I am afraid I had to ask myself: what else are you lying about?”

Haggis forwarded his resignation to more than twenty Scientologist friends, including Anne Archer, John Travolta, and Sky Dayton, the founder of EarthLink. “I felt if I sent it to my friends they’d be as horrified as I was, and they’d ask questions as well,” he says. “That turned out to be largely not the case. They were horrified that I’d send a letter like that.”

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright#ixzz2J2SSPApQ

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:52am PT
nobody forces you to stay in scientology.

all you have to do is leave.

if they hassle you, call the cops.
they can be aggressive, i alienated myself from the church one afternoon and was smokin a joint at the frat house and her comes Norm, this wired up curly red haired midget who was in charge of my trip up the ladder, he must have been psychic, he acted pretty OT even though he was only grade 4 anyway,he's like, "he dude, whats up, i like the allman brothers Blue Sky (best morning joint smokin tune in the world) but you can't smoke weed and go OT!
so i got back "on track" and coffee and ciggies were the thing.

see, i wanted to "infiltrate" the Program. work both ends at the same time, study seizmology in the day time, smoke weed and listen to Pink Floyd at night, kind of a "hybrid" enlightenment. that's why i took Training only.
i wanted to learn the secret code before they used it on me, get it?
i was a double EE at davis, i wanted the A squared plus B squared sh#t because i was curious about tech sh#t for the mind,i could care less about clearing the planet, i wanted to know what all the fuss was about without paying, kind of like you guys,

that way i could do it myself and save money (kind of like masturbation) but called coffee shop auditing)but it don't work that way. i figured weed is good, scientology is really cool, why not combine them and have the total edge?

well the problem is you can not audit out past life BS while on weed, because weed is great, but while on it, you have the awareness of a monkey;s as#@&%e, but this is why we smoke it! to tune it all out.

there was a Lot of "non standard tech" being applied back in the seventies.

LRH can not be everywhere at once, so if you have 8, million, there is gonna be trouble somewhere, simply because you can not control that many people in a precise fashion.

there were a lot of ex acid heads and pot heads and beer drinkers and hell raisers back then, can you imagine the church full of these types without the drugs?
i mean, imagine Neal Cassidy doing the Drug Rundown (where they try to audit out all bad trips and awareness problems)he would have to spend 3 million bucks just to get that course done.

there were many letters sent by Ronnie, one of them was Blinkless TR-0.

somebody mis-understood the comm course drill where you sit across from somebody and stare at them without moving, talking, or blinking.

it was a Flunk if you blinked.

many people learned how not to blink in at the Davis mission.

he said " i really appreciate you guys being that committed to where you have trained yourselves to do the impossible, which is don't blink,but guess what? The eye need to blimk!"how somebody twisted this easy drill into something really weird, i don't know,

i bet if you do a search, you can find the HCOB on blinless tr-0.

so the people were f*#king up the tech, not ron.

this is a source of constant irratation for the church, and many auditing sessions have been given to people who have been mis-handled in some form or another.there is a strong effort to keep this crap from happening, as the bad PR gets blown into such weird sh#t by the time it hits the papers.

LRH also wrote volumes on business management that are used by non scientology companies everywhere.

if you get a chance to read this stuff, you will see the genius at his best,

there are people who are already like OT-7 scientologist in life who have had no auditing or scientology of any kind,

they don't need it, they are born naturally clear,

an example of that might be Joe Montana, or some other super over achiever,

these lucky folks don't need nuthin to kick ass,

but do not envy them, envy is the quickest way to hell, right?

L Ron did not come up with all the stuff, he just condensed everything he learned from mny different areas and made it his own.

what is the Goal of scientology?to keep you in PT, Present Time.

this means never dwelling on he past for one second.

always the future,

the better you have your sh#t together, the further you think into the future,

herion addict thinks about next fix, OT 7 thinks about avoiding the black hole that he will encounter while traversing the universe in 29,7889,989, get it?

how many people can say they have never spent a moment thinking about past problems?

well, when your OT, you are always in present time. if something f*#ks up, you handle it quick and get back on the time track,

a speeding ticket will stop you on your time track, a DUI will really stop you in time, you will worry about a past moment while everybody is moving ahead,

sometimes really bad things happen along the time track that can hang you up for years, a death in the family, getting fired, getting in a bad accident,

what you want to do is keep moving along the time track without getting stuck on say, 1989 when you lost your stock or some other BS.

so the goal is to stay in PT and not get hung up and if you do, handle it.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:00am PT
How did Katey Holmes get out???


Jan 26, 2013 - 08:07am PT
Being a hot celebrity probably helps.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:14am PT
I thought she looked kinda... tired, there for a while. (I mean what WAS that evil man doing to her???!!!1111)

Sucking her soul out her bum, doubtless.

I was like... whatEVER!


Jan 26, 2013 - 09:41am PT
Lately, she does look better, like a burden has been lifted. I kinda get the feeling she never really fully bought into Scientology in the first place.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 10:08am PT
She milked him like a fuking cow. I personally think they might be ready for the barbecue at this point.

Metaphorically speaking of course Spider.
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