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apogee
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Nov 24, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
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Simple minds can only handle simple information.
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dirtbag
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Nov 24, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if this thread disappeared.
Fritz?
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apogee
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Nov 24, 2018 - 08:10pm PT
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^^^^
+ 100
This has degenerated to a shitshow. It's only reinforcing why CMac & Co are fed up with the bullshit of ST Forum drama, and the departure of valuable voices.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 24, 2018 - 09:52pm PT
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Okay, enough of this petty bickering. What we really need is a birth certificate. Many people are saying Cosmic is a reptilian. There is no evidence proving that he is not.
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2018 - 10:50pm PT
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I sigh for those who bicker, when this is an election update thread.
Sigh.
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apogee
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Nov 25, 2018 - 08:30am PT
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Spot on, couchmaster.
Should be required viewing for anyone posting on ST polititard threads.
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apogee
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Nov 25, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
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Hi, Klimmer 2.0!
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apogee
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Nov 25, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
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Red Alert: A Blue Wave in Orange County
By JOHN FUND
November 25, 2018 7:01 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/midterm-election-results-orange-county-california-should-worry-republicans/
Time to worry when the heart of Reagan conservatism turns blue.
The Republican loss of 40 seats in the House came about in large part because suburban voters gave the GOP only 49 percent of their votes. From Denver to Atlanta to Salt Lake City to McLean, Va., GOP incumbents were toppled by moderate-sounding Democrats who made explicit appeals to voters repelled by Trump and his smash-mouth tactics. They would rein in his presidency, they promised, and civility and centrism would make a comeback.
That’s a highly doubtful proposition to bet on. But the appeal worked. And nowhere was its success so spectacular as in Orange County, Calif., a collection of suburbs shaped by the Automobile Age whose population of 3.2 million exceeds that of 22 states. Starting in January, Orange County will be represented by seven Democrats in the House and zero Republicans. GOP incumbents Mimi Walters and Dana Rohrabacher were defeated in the midterms, and Democrats took the place of retiring incumbents Ed Royce and Darrell Issa. As Los Angeles Times columnist Gustavo Arellano wrote, the shift was propelled by “millions of dollars in donations to local Democrats, an invigorated volunteer base, and a slew of first-time candidates.” But the Democratic sweep was still shocking.
It’s hard to overestimate the importance of Orange County in the modern growth of conservatism. Political analyst Jay Cost says that its upscale suburbs were “ground zero for the rebuilding of the post-war Republican party.” Richard Nixon grew up in Orange County and retired there after his presidency. Ronald Reagan used to joke it was where “all good Republicans went to their reward.”
OC turns Blue. Heh!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 25, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
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Ironically the Republican gerrymandering of the 49th district helped OC go blue. The Republicans carved out a big chunk of heavily red southern OC to offset the more progressive north San Diego county. Eventually the San Diego county portion of the 49th more than offset the red OC piece of the 49th.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 25, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
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^ ^
That's the thing about gerrymandering. It can give an unfair advantage for a time, but it's fragile. With all the perceived faults in our system of government, it's still more or less a democracy, and if there's a clear majority for one side or the other, they're going to win in the long run although maybe not the short run. It's just when it's very close that a minority can "win."
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apogee
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Nov 25, 2018 - 08:58pm PT
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Maybe, but such manipulations are against the general spirit of a true representative democracy.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 25, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
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In CA, an independent commission draw the districts.
That is a relatively new concept, only started in 2010. There are still a lot of gerrymandered districts in existence.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Nov 26, 2018 - 07:47am PT
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OC turns Blue. Heh!
I heard a republican political hack say that this is temporary.
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apogee
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Nov 26, 2018 - 08:35am PT
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That would seem likely. But it sure is a sweet irony for the time being!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 26, 2018 - 09:47am PT
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Hard to say why OC went blue ...Maybe the OC voters didn't want a President who's colluding with a dictator run country that has nukes pointed at us...?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 26, 2018 - 10:37am PT
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OC has been trending blue for at least 10 years.
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