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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I'm still curious how different my results would be compared to my brother. What might show up in one but not the other. I know little about how this all works. Anyone?
I'd ask your Mom, if possible, first....
heh
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Wayno.. I don't know much about this but I do have a friend who had the tests done and he discovered some medical things that he feels helped him mitigate some issues. My understanding is that there are genetic tests for family ancestry and tests for gene make up for medical issues.
Not sure if the tests are different or just the analysis, but 23andnme has two basic offerings, ancestry, and health + ancestry. (The Amazon Prime deal was $99 for both.) I was more interested in health, but it's basically bundled together.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I was adopted and while I met my biological mother long ago, I never bought the mythology about my background, especially the part about me having a bunch of Comanche Indian blood - which would have been cool, but I'm too much of a pale face for the story to be credible. So I got the test, an expensive one from a lab with a stout database (they do exist, I was told), and discovered - or was told - I was 90 something percent West Euro (mostly Irish and British), and the rest, African American and like .7 percent Native American. Since then I haven't heard the end of it from my black friends, who now call me "negro," and other endearing terms.
Another writer, also black, summed it up pretty well. "That's American," he said.
But I'm still pretty pale, so who knows, really ...
And come to think about it, who cares.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Legend has it that a horny Irishman ancestor mixed it up with some Germans. Why mess with that?
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WBraun
climber
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The gross materialists are so interested where their gross material coat (body) was manufactured but don't care a lick who they really are or where they've actually come from .....
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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23andMe was founded by Anne Wojcicki, who used to be married to Sergey Brin, one of the co-founders of Google. They are definitely interested in linking to other types of healthcare data and in finding new uses for the data. If you're more interested in the healthcare side of things and are less concerned about your de-identified data being used for other things, then 23andMe might be the way to go.
OToH, I went to a small presentation about a month ago by the CTO of Ancestry.com. He was pretty clear that use of the data for non-ancestry related things was not a priority for them. So if you're just interested in the genealogy side of things and less the health side, that might be a better way to go.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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This is great. In the not so distant future when you go to apply for health insurance they'll know what you going to have down the road. It gives a whole new meaning to "pre-existing conditions."
Said half in humor...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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That guy who posts nonsense all the time makes the case (inanely as usual) for the need for retroactive birth control
The insurance companies would love it
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2018 - 05:21pm PT
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The gross materialists are so interested where their gross material coat (body) was manufactured but don't care a lick who they really are or where they've actually come from .....
Yeah but if there is only 144 of them and they are disgusting, who cares?;o
I listened to the podcast Shawn linked. It summed up well the limitations and misconceptions on these tests. There was some other interesting stuff in there too, especially about "chimeras" or people with two genomes and how that happens and such.
My take is that your genes are not who you are. Many people today have insecurities and confusion about their identities and its importance and clever marketers are actively taking advantage of this epidemic. Sad.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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There are a couple of good books out on the cool discoveries that are coming from DNA based on extraction of DNA from ancient teeth and bones. The whole of human history is in our collective DNA. One interesting bit is that going back to common ancestors gets every one related in about 1100ad. Not so long ago cos.
In my family, we can trace a combination of DNA and records to a Charles Breedlove in Essex County Virginia in 1693. Made up name. Probably originally from Northern France but maybe a stay in Enland. Family lore is five brothers came from England. Intriguing evidence that several families named *love moved west together. I still feel the latent criminal lurking within.
But marh works against any distinctions: only about 1/10 of 1 percent of Charles is in me.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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My take is that your genes are not who you are.
I know who I am...
...but who are all you zombies?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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the brown family is inexplicable
The object is what scientists call a brown dwarf. Nicknamed "failed stars," brown dwarfs are larger than planets, but not quite large enough to fuse hydrogen, the way stars do. The boundary line is still debated, but scientists tend to draw it at about 13 times the mass of Jupiter.
Originally, scientists thought SIMP J01365663+0933473 was a gigantic, old brown dwarf. But further study showed that it is instead relatively young, at 200 million years old, and is only 12.7 times the mass of Jupiter. That research also showed that the planet is on its own, not orbiting a star.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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The answer(s) may be blowin' the wind
And it's not just the magnetic mechanism that's leaving scientists with questions right now — there are plenty of other mysteries about the object, which scientists first discovered in 2016.
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"This object is right at the boundary between a planet and a brown dwarf, or 'failed star,' and is giving us some surprises that can potentially help us understand magnetic processes on both stars and planets," Kao said in the statement. "We think these mechanisms can work not only in brown dwarfs, but also in both gas giant and terrestrial planets."
The detection technology is over my head.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4365/aac2d5
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2018 - 09:38pm PT
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or 'failed star,'
I love it when somebody uses that word. Failed. Like I'm a failed hippie or something. Didn't quite make the mark. Arbitrarily failed I say.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nobody who appreciates a good Barolo has failed, except possibly in quantity.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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One of my mom's relatives was a Mormon living in Salt Lake City in the early 1960s, and he made a family tree going back to England in about the year 1000.
He sent it to my mom's aunt, and my mom got a copy.
My parents have had a lot of fun over the years looking at census records, and filling in most of the rest of the tree on both sides back to US colonial days and earlier.
I linked it with other trees going into Europe to around the year 600.
So no need to do a DNA test; we already know who all the close ancestors are / were.
Up until recently, if you knew the names of your grandparents and where they lived,
you could look up US census records easily on familysearch.org and trace them back many generations if their surnames were not too common (and they were in the US).
Now they require a login, but I'm sure it's still free.
I don't think the info is all that useful, but it's kind of a fun puzzle to fill in the blanks.
There are even some stories in the census records.
One that my dad likes to tell is about one of my mom's ancestors (born in 1851) who was an alcoholic.
He was pretty much the town drunk, and at one census he was living with his mom, who listed his occupation as "bum"!
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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My grandad did some pretty extensive ancestry research (on my dad's side) the old-fashioned way before he passed away twenty or so years ago. He spent part of his time going to courthouses and graveyards starting in Barren County, KY and then tracing back to courthouses in NC and then VA. I think what he did was check records and then go verify by physically visiting cemeteries. He was able to trace our family history back to the late 1600's as I recall. All of this was done as a hobby.
It all started in Scotland, (not surprisingly, as the high school mascot where my dad went is the "Scotties"), at some point moved through the Cumberland Gap in KY, and ultimately led to an area close to Mammoth Cave. He actually wrote a document that is more like a short book called "The Barrens" that he distributed amongst our family, of which I have a copy. It's been a long time since I've read it, but I remember excerpts such as "so-and-so bought x acres of land for y dollars and two good mules."
It would be fun to go back and compare what he found with with what a DNA test would show. This stuff can really give ya a completely different perspective on family.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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wbw, although your family was Scottish by culture, they could beViking by DNA since many raided and settled there.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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So no need to do a DNA test; we already know who all the close ancestors are / were.
Hmmm. More accurate to say "we already know what the records say about our close ancestors."
But what about great-grandma? You know, her and the guy that ran the feed store? That time when great-grandpa was away for a week?
Trusting the records reminds me of the story of the old man who, as he lay dying, said to his wife: "I'm a goner, so you don't have to worry about keeping secrets any longer. I've always believed that Robert has a different father than our other four kids, am I right?"
"Yes, dear, that's true."
"I knew it! So tell me, who is Robert's father?"
"You are."
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