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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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It was a known undisputed fact on my mom's side that there was American Indian in there. Until my daughter did the test and came up zero. So my mom went out and did the test too, and again zero. A *big* pulse to the family origin story for her and her sisters to ponder on.
There goes the casino...
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Trump
climber
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Don’t let your dna ruin the good stories we tell ourselves. That’s in our dna too. My dna shows that I’m 0% computer!
With respect to you and your siblings, if you have the same parents, of course you have exactly the same ancestors/ancestry. But your tests might be slightly different, because the tests show the ancestry of your individual dna, so doing the test yourself could give both you and your siblings additional information about all of you, with respect to who your ancestors were. Plus, you might like chocolate and not even know that about yourself!
My tests compared to my kids tests shows that we’re all humans from planet earth. Hurray for our tribe, and the lies we tell ourselves!
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Tom Bruskotter
Trad climber
Seattle
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I did 23andMe a few years back. Was sufficiently worried about future misuse of my genetic info that I used an alias, a dummy email account and a library computer.
I ran the raw data through a program that gave us detail about methylation (metabolism) and health issues.
I'm German, and some Polish, Russian, English. A Euro-Mutt. No surprises there but then we read I have an exceptional amount of Neanderthal DNA. BWAhhahhaa!
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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I predict the Russians have submitted a "Ronald K Stump" to all of the DNA sites, using samples from the drinking glass in Helsinki. It's the smart play.
Scary too.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Most of the commercials for that are people who want to find out they're 1/16 Chippewa so the can start wearing turquoise and tell everybody they know.
Or they're 1/16 Black and can start talking about my peoples struggle with slavery and racism. Even though they're whiter than anybody.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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I was relaxing on the couch and my wife matter-of-factly and unexpectedly prompted me to swab the inside of my mouth. It smacked of a person wanting to know what breed of dog they had rescued.
Our family lineage started early in the colonies and constantly settled Westward (probably on the run). We have very little knowledge of our history other than there was some banjo romance in the mix.
So what did I find out? All English, Scottish, Irish and just enough Scandinavian to know someone was raped by a Viking- pure redneck stock.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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It was a known undisputed fact on my mom's side that there was American Indian in there. Until my daughter did the test and came up zero. So my mom went out and did the test too, and again zero. A *big* pulse to the family origin story for her and her sisters to ponder on.
There goes the casino
Just a matter of time until someone gets a sample from Elizabeth Warren by hook or by crook, and we all know what it will show (0% Indian), as it's almost certain that she's had the test done (anonymously) and didn't like the results.
But due to the nature of the tests, even when she's busted on the DNA, she'll be able to repeat her nonsense as the tests (at least so far) can't definitively disprove that she may have had a single Indian ancestor many generations back.
I sent in a sample and am waiting for the results, perhaps I'm hoping for a "Mike Honcho" result showing some disadvantaged minority heritage, but who knows and who really cares, you are who you are.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Blah, good job dropping the politic bomb in anther thread. Amazing how much scrutiny you give to Warren, but I bet you give your man Trump a pass on his 4000+ lies. Trump lies more in one day than Warren does in a year.
By the way, it is not a lie if some one in Warrens family told her she was part Indian. Being wrong is not lying.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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By the way, it is not a lie if some one in Warrens family told her she was part Indian. Being wrong is not lying.
Being wrong is not lying, but it becomes lying or tantamount to lying when you have a willful disregard for the truth.
Here the the contention (a basically white person allegedly has a distant, unidentified Indian ancestor) is now regarded as being often fantasy, and some of the family reasons for perpetuating the Indian story (someone in a picture had high cheek bones!; there was a story of eloping that was debunked) are silly, false, and offensive to real Indians who get sick of white people claiming to part Indian for basically the reason "Mike Honcho" said (oh, poor me, I'm part Indian so I've been oppressed by the Man and had to overcome so much . . .).
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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sorry blabber, but I never met an Indian who really cared that someone claimed to be Native. It is rude to tell people what they think. I do not make generalizations about all Indians, but my anecdote is based on time spent on the Navajo reservation. Son is half, his mom is 100%.
In fact Indians are amazingly forgiving. The only outward display of a grudge I ever personally saw was one of my sons uncles having a few beers and ranting about the local priest. Guy had an issue with religion, but he treated me like family.
I took my son and his mom to the Ellis Island museum recently (One of the best attractions in NYC). His mother is no paper Indian, see was born and raised on the rez as a child. Spoke only Navajo until the age of 5. After the visit I was curious what her reaction would be to the history of American immigration, she thought it was amazing and it made her proud to be an American.
In fact most Natives think it is funny that people claim to be 1/16th NA because not that many years ago it was stigma to be part Indian.
Do you realize how petty your claim really is. Proof of pettiness is that Trump uses it as an insult. Indians find Trump offensive, they have no problem with Warren. nuff said
edit: Do you even understand why the Pocahontas insult is a slur?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I do not make generalizations about all Indians,
And then goes on to, in essence, make generalizations about Indians.
Look, I never said anything about Trump or Pocahontas, etc. I am absolutely sure that fake Indian claims annoy at least some Indians, I don't know what the percentage is, I'm sure you don't either. I have reviewed the Warren Indian claims and I myself find them to be offensive, just like you're offended by Trump (and I frequently am too, by the way).
This thread is about DNA ancestry tests, and I simply made an observation about how they may affect a matter of at least some pubic interest, and noted I myself have a test in the works (more interested in possible health significance than ancestry). Get over it.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Jon, I was out sometime in the last couple of years running a lap on the 2nd Flatiron, and there were two guys climbing above me, one of whom was exceedingly loud. Turns out (based on the way this guy was spraying down the entire Flatirons) it must have been blahblah. I finally had to pull up on a nice ledge and sit for a while to let those two get ahead because the one that said he posted as blahblah was so loud and obnoxious. I have a real pet peeve about loud, braggadocious people, maybe to a fault, but let's just say that you should be happy that you don't have to share a crag with him. He's honestly more obnoxious than he is here on ST.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jon, I was out sometime in the last couple of years running a lap on the 2nd Flatiron, and there were two guys climbing above me, one of whom was exceedingly loud. Turns out (based on the way this guy was spraying down the entire Flatirons) it must have been blahblah. I finally had to pull up on a nice ledge and sit for a while to let those two get ahead because the one that said he posted as blahblah was so loud and obnoxious. I
Cool story bro!
Sorry I impaired your "running a lap" on the 2nd, post a pic or some other identifying info (as I have) and I'll be sure to avoid you if I see you, to the extent I reasonably can.
Happy climbs
edit: took a moment to look at WBW's pics, don't recognize this guy and somewhat skeptical that I ever saw him (or vice versa) on the 2nd Flatiron, but who knows, anything is possible. Story is a little fishy as I was allegedly climbing above him, but he had to pull on a nice ledge and sit for while? I suppose he was running me down :)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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La Femme’s friend is a MAJOR genetical counselor. She did 23me. She knows it isn’t perfect but says it’s accurate enough, unless yer trying to get into the Aryan Brutherhood.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2018 - 12:04pm PT
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I was wondering how long it would take for the petty crap to seep in. Behave or I will make it go away. Is that too much to expect from adults?
I don't think I would cough up the dough for a test but if someone in my family paid for it I have no problem taking the test. This technology is still developing and several people have said to not read too much into it. Kinda reminds me of the past life regression stuff.
Reilly, I'm the only one in my immediate family that has red hair and freckles so I've heard the milkman stuff my whole life. I still think it is funny.
I'm still curious how different my results would be compared to my brother. What might show up in one but not the other. I know little about how this all works. Anyone?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I'm still curious how different my results would be compared to my brother. What might show up in one but not the other. I know little about how this all works. Anyone?
Well, if you're in town, come on over and ask Mari. Molecular genetics is her thing.
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Frozenwaterfalls
Ice climber
California
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Wayno - I am not sure what genes/DNA they sequence in the kits, but it is possible that you have a mutation in your mcr1 gene which controls pigmentation. If it is a functional mutation that you inherited from both your parents, then you could end up with red hair and fair skin. Similar mutations to this gene result in Spirit bears (white black bears), white Antarctic fur seals, and a whole bunch of other cool critters so you are in good company :).
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nafod
Boulder climber
State college
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Elizabeth Warren by hook or by crook, and we all know what it will show (0% Indian) I have to say, it was supremely ironic that my dear old mom is a big-time Trump supporter. The moccasin's on the other foot now.
Fascinating, the surprises that can lurk in the genetic history.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Lots of people have Native American ancestry back there somewhere, especially if they came to America during colonial times when European women were very few. The autosomal tests that most people take however, won't show it because the DNA is diluted by half every generation. After only four generations which is approximately a century, you're down to only 6.25 %.
1st = 50%
2nd = 25%
3rd = 12.5
4th = 6.25
etc.
It also turns out that that many east coast Indians had already mixed with shipwrecked Spaniards, Portuguese, Moors and Englishmen before the Pilgrims ever arrived. Even many traditional Indians had mixed DNA by 1600.
For details, check out Where have all the Indians Gone?
http://www.dnaexplain.com/Publications/PDFs/WhereHaveAlltheIndiansGone8-30-09JoggV3.2.pdf
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John M
climber
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Thanks Jan, for that information. My grandmother always said that her grandmother was full Choctaw indian, but I don't look it. I wonder if a test would even show it.
Wayno.. I don't know much about this but I do have a friend who had the tests done and he discovered some medical things that he feels helped him mitigate some issues. My understanding is that there are genetic tests for family ancestry and tests for gene make up for medical issues. Thats about the limit of my knowledge on this. LOL.
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