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Oct 18, 2018 - 10:18am PT
Thank you for that info Jan, you seem super sharp on this, was that your career?

For myself and brothers, we look so unalike that we have a Larry, Curly, Moe routine down where when asked about our late dad we each in turn say "Milkman, Postman, Garbageman". LOL. If our laughter gives us away, my little brother invariably points to me and states "Seriously, he was adopted". Then he proceeds to pick apart every flaw and difference between us that I have. LOL

My mom is getting ready to check out and is working on putting genealogy things together that she knows. My kid makes a comment that there is a facebook group with our last name, you should check it out dad. I finally did, some stranger asked me "Who's your dad's dad (grandfather). I pitched it out there and he comes back with a list of fathers fathers that stretches back to the 1300's ending with a mercenary who fought with the
White Company.


I found it interesting for about 20 min. But it doesn't change any essential facts of my life.

This seems right on the money, Jan noted:
"....It also turns out that that many east coast Indians had already mixed with shipwrecked Spaniards, Portuguese, Moors and Englishmen before the Pilgrims ever arrived. Even many traditional Indians had mixed DNA by 1600.

For details, check out Where have all the Indians Gone?


Oct 18, 2018 - 04:07pm PT
"In October 2018, [Elizabeth] Warren released the results of a genetic ancestry analysis . . . which "strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in [her] pedigree, likely in the range of 6–10 generations ago".[53][54] Journalists reporting on the results stated that 6–10 generations ago would represent between 1/64 and 1/1,024 of Warren's ancestry." (Wiki)

Not sure this was a good move on her part, but quite an accomplished lady.

Trad climber
Oct 18, 2018 - 06:44pm PT
My wife is adopted. This year at 63 she sent away a DNA sample to whoever. & today at 63 almost 64 she met her 84-year-old biological father.

Social climber
Oct 18, 2018 - 07:00pm PT
hey there say, FRUMY... oh my, :O

i hope it was a good meeting, too...

thanks for sharing...

Gym climber
Oct 18, 2018 - 07:48pm PT
It's not right that Warren got in trouble just for passing on a family story.
She claimed to be Native American, a truly outrageous lie that her alleged DNA test (she hasn't released the raw data to anyone other her presumably cherry picked expert) confirms rather than refutes.
(As to her "family story," who knows if it's true or not, the DNA test doesn't prove or disprove it, but that's really a red herring.)

Got to hand it to Warren: it's not easy to come up with stunt like DNA test that earns the scorn of virtually everyone across the political, racial, and cultural spectrums.

From https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1996/10/22/survey-diversity-lacking-at-hls-pa/
Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Oct 19, 2018 - 11:31am PT
I don't need the test because my sloping forehead and protruding brow ridges tell me that I'm a Neanderthal.

Trad climber
Oct 19, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
I apologize if this is not the right thread to post this information, but I really do not want to start a new OT thread.

If you are interested in knowing your genetic health traits and risks, you can get the Ancestry test from 23andme, download the RAW test result data, and upload it to other DNA analysis service sites to obtain the health analysis. That'll save you about $100. Such sites include Promethease.com ($12) and CodeGen.eu (free) .

One might ask what do you do with a genetic health report?

One example of using genetic test is to find out your EPOE status (article: EPOE and Alzheimer's).

If your report shows you have an elevated risk of a certain disease, it might be helpful for you to start monitoring related health markers.


Trad climber
Oct 21, 2018 - 10:19pm PT
Neebe, it was good.
He didn't know about the pregnancy until after the adoption. He had told his wife that he had a child with his X girlfriend, but had not been told before she was given away. He had always wondered about her and was grateful to meet her. Now she has a new brother and two new sisters.

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
Jan 11, 2019 - 09:19am PT
Such a cool story about Julie, Frumy!

I got an e-mail out of the blue from the Borghoff family this week and I may have a half-brother in Pennsylvania that is four years older than me.

They have had a letter written and ready to send to me for years, but just pulled the trigger this week.

It turns out that my DNA may solve a 40-year-old mystery. He looked for years for his parents, but New York has sealed all adoption certificates - so he finally gave up.

His daughter has picked up the search, and with DNA had good success.

Should get a tube to spit into in the next couple of weeks - pretty heady stuff!

They said they have been keeping track of me for years through the climbing community (I think Supertopo!)


Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 11, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
All English, Scottish, Irish and just enough Scandinavian to know someone was raped by a Viking- pure redneck stock.

I'm almost pure Viking stock (mostly Danish), so one of my ancestors probably did the raping. Hate to admit it.

the east
Jan 11, 2019 - 05:15pm PT
seems they depend on the amount of other input there is from the companies other donors.
my wife and i did ours, $100 each; mine came back very detailed about celtic migrations, east european tribes and of course vikings. my wifes simply said 'north asia' with a vague diagram that covered everything north of the himalaya between the pacific and the black sea...thanks, she could tell by looking in a mirror for free.

i deduce its a company thing because the japanese alone (and maybe other nations have done similar) have a very detailed study of the population from about 10 years ago when 30% of the population took part. so the datas there, just not all companies can access it.


Social climber
Jan 11, 2019 - 06:26pm PT
hey there say, frumy...

wow, thanks for more of the share...

Oct 21, 2018 - 10:19pm PT
Neebe, it was good.
He didn't know about the pregnancy until after the adoption. He had told his wife that he had a child with his X girlfriend, but had not been told before she was given away. He had always wondered about her and was grateful to meet her. Now she has a new brother and two new sisters.

wow, and aeriq... very interesting story... saw some of your share, too,
on the ol' facebook... :)

Ice climber
mogollon rim
Jan 12, 2019 - 04:42am PT
39 generations of directly traceable ancestry all they way back to Sigurd Hring and Munro dynasty and further.
Sigurd snake in the eye was 39th grandfather with also viking kings of kiev
Including Vladimir whom was the founder of the varangian guard which were mercenary warriors from Scandinavia in service of the Holy Roman Empire
Ancestry and family records

Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 12, 2019 - 08:43am PT

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 12, 2019 - 08:49am PT
Why all the hatin’ on the Vikings and assuming they had to resort to rape?
A lot of the places they liberated the wimmen prolly welcomed them with open arms!

Trad climber
Jan 12, 2019 - 12:28pm PT
They were invited by many eastern Europeans as protection from invaders from the east.

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Jan 12, 2019 - 08:21pm PT
Interesting Frumy, I did not know that. I have noticed with the two lines of my family who are Viking that we have relatives in Scandinavia and the British Isles, but also a few in eastern Europe which always seemed strange to me, although I know Vikings sometimes sailed to the Black Sea and up the Volga also.

A high proportion of pioneers and frontiersmen of the old West were of Viking stock also, although they did not know it. Many who were of English, Scottish, and Irish stock or so they thought, were actually Viking in their male lines. The name Chisolm for instance is Scottish but many of them are Viking by DNA. Adventurers to the end.

I was also surprised to find out that William the Conqueror who is depicted in history books as Norman French was in fact of Norwegian and Danish descent. His father's Vikings raided the French coast until the French king made an agreement to give him Normandy so that he would not attack Paris. Instead, William conquered England next.


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2019 - 09:34am PT
Actually, the Vikings went down the Volga. It is possible they made a foray or two up it
when they visited Constantinople. There is Viking rune graffiti on the railing of the balcony in
the Hagia Sofia. Something to the effect “Sammy Hagar was here”. When they showed up in
Constantinople the sultan was so impressed he hired ‘em on the spot as his palace guard.
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