Mammoth Mountain’s Via Ferrata private on public land?!


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Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jul 25, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
Dunno. I might have to try that zip line! Looks rad.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jul 25, 2018 - 04:19pm PT
And the British, we haven´t forgotten!

We stole it fair and square.
Andy Fielding

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2018 - 11:34am PT
In Europe they have lots of via ferrata’s but from my understanding they are public.
Not strictly true. Some VF you have to pay to go on. A lot are, however, funded by local town councils to encourage the general public to use them thus bringing with them cash to spend in the local community. Win win situation.
Off White

Tenino, WA
Jul 26, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
In Washington State landowners are exempt from liability for public recreational use of their property, but only if they don't charge for it. Climbing is specifically included thanks to a rider drafted by Andy Fitz and the access fund. That means when I allow folks to climb on the crag in my front yard its both free and I am not liable.

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:47pm PT

Now updated with pricing and penal code violation numbers for going without a guide

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:54pm PT
A guide for a via ferrata? You mean it’s only for use by retards?

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 7, 2018 - 03:57pm PT
So is access to the FS owned ski area restricted to pass holders.

A couple of years ago we were doing some self-arrest practice near Mt. Waterman. Some guy ran us off. And the mountain was closed!
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 7, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
I saw the posters for this last weekend (through the smoke and blowing pumice). Expensive. $359 for two people, an additional $99 per person up to four people max, and an additional guide (at $359) if anyone is 10 or 11. For my family of 5 that would be $916 before tax. Looks fun but I think I'd rather save the coin and go do some in the Dolomites. There you'd get some good speck, Alto Adige wine and some WWI emplacements in the mix.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
Aug 7, 2018 - 07:08pm PT
Zip line construction progress (control webcam low and zoomed out)
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Aug 8, 2018 - 07:56am PT
Skippy sounds about your speed, now you will have climbing content to add here. "My big ladder climb" ;)

Nov 14, 2018 - 12:07am PT
Ski area leases with the Forest Service are not all the same. The uphill skiing crowd deals with this a lot. Some ski areas have a lease that prevents them from limiting public access at any time, unless it's in an area where dangerous operations are taking place (snow making, winch operations, etc). They can't prevent people from hiking or skiing uphill. Santa Fe Ski Area is free access year round, but you still have to buy a ticket to get on the lift.

Another ski area I'm familiar with can restrict access during their "winter season" but only has three days after the last official ski day that they can restrict access. On the fourth day they can no longer prevent people from hiking up the ski runs and skiing down, or doing whatever the public wants to do.

You'd have to read the lease and see what it gives Mammoth the right to do. It's not uncommon for ski areas to try to bluff more authority than they legally are able to do according to their lease. One ski area I know of tried that and, after people complained to the USFS, they had to back down and and allow access.

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2018 - 07:38am PT
Great info Guapo, any tips on finding the text for these leases? We’ve got a couple entities here that I’d like to read up on.

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Nov 14, 2018 - 10:30am PT
If what you are looking for isn't online you can call the USFS district or forest office. Failing that just send them a FOIA (freedom of information act) request asking for the lease or whatever. Info on access might also be included in the NEPA documents.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 14, 2018 - 12:58pm PT
Wow. That's friggin' expensive. I'll go to Pine Creek instead. New guide book out, dontcha know.

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