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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Jul 25, 2018 - 01:51pm PT
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Dunno. I might have to try that zip line! Looks rad.
BAd
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jul 25, 2018 - 04:19pm PT
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And the British, we haven´t forgotten!
We stole it fair and square.
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Andy Fielding
Trad climber
UK
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Jul 26, 2018 - 11:34am PT
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In Europe they have lots of via ferrata’s but from my understanding they are public. Not strictly true. Some VF you have to pay to go on. A lot are, however, funded by local town councils to encourage the general public to use them thus bringing with them cash to spend in the local community. Win win situation.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jul 26, 2018 - 09:06pm PT
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In Washington State landowners are exempt from liability for public recreational use of their property, but only if they don't charge for it. Climbing is specifically included thanks to a rider drafted by Andy Fitz and the access fund. That means when I allow folks to climb on the crag in my front yard its both free and I am not liable.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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A guide for a via ferrata? You mean it’s only for use by retards?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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So is access to the FS owned ski area restricted to pass holders.
A couple of years ago we were doing some self-arrest practice near Mt. Waterman. Some guy ran us off. And the mountain was closed!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I saw the posters for this last weekend (through the smoke and blowing pumice). Expensive. $359 for two people, an additional $99 per person up to four people max, and an additional guide (at $359) if anyone is 10 or 11. For my family of 5 that would be $916 before tax. Looks fun but I think I'd rather save the coin and go do some in the Dolomites. There you'd get some good speck, Alto Adige wine and some WWI emplacements in the mix.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Skippy sounds about your speed, now you will have climbing content to add here. "My big ladder climb" ;)
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GuapoVino
climber
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Nov 14, 2018 - 12:07am PT
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Ski area leases with the Forest Service are not all the same. The uphill skiing crowd deals with this a lot. Some ski areas have a lease that prevents them from limiting public access at any time, unless it's in an area where dangerous operations are taking place (snow making, winch operations, etc). They can't prevent people from hiking or skiing uphill. Santa Fe Ski Area is free access year round, but you still have to buy a ticket to get on the lift.
Another ski area I'm familiar with can restrict access during their "winter season" but only has three days after the last official ski day that they can restrict access. On the fourth day they can no longer prevent people from hiking up the ski runs and skiing down, or doing whatever the public wants to do.
You'd have to read the lease and see what it gives Mammoth the right to do. It's not uncommon for ski areas to try to bluff more authority than they legally are able to do according to their lease. One ski area I know of tried that and, after people complained to the USFS, they had to back down and and allow access.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Nov 14, 2018 - 07:38am PT
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Great info Guapo, any tips on finding the text for these leases? We’ve got a couple entities here that I’d like to read up on.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Nov 14, 2018 - 10:30am PT
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If what you are looking for isn't online you can call the USFS district or forest office. Failing that just send them a FOIA (freedom of information act) request asking for the lease or whatever. Info on access might also be included in the NEPA documents.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 14, 2018 - 12:58pm PT
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Wow. That's friggin' expensive. I'll go to Pine Creek instead. New guide book out, dontcha know.
BAd
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