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xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
and Washington dc...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.

We tried electing senators by popular vote, and it doesn't work.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:49am PT
Chaz, Iím curious why you think that would be better. Is there a logical framework for it or is it mainly because the popular vote consistently outweighs what you want?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:55am PT
It was good enough for Lincoln-Douglass. Neither of those guys were on a ballot after their debates.
BJ

climber
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:16am PT
I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.

Do you know how they would vote and the likely makeup of the resulting Senate?

I doubt it.

http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/Documents/Elections/Legis_Control_041118_26973.pdf
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jun 14, 2018 - 03:35pm PT
"Huh? SoCal is owned by the dems."

Huh? Have you actually looked at the map of the proposed split?

"SoCal" in this case would be Orange, Kern, Fresno, San Bernardino, Riverside, Kings, Tulare, Madera, Inyo, Mono, Imperial, and San Diego counties. That doesn't exactly say "owned by Dems" to me when those area currently have a lot of GOP districts:

Kevin McCarthy, Devin Nunes, Paul Cook, Dana Rorabacher, Darrell Issa, Duncan Hunter, Ken Calvert, and Mimi Walters - all GOP off the top of my head.
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Jun 14, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
Countries, 1000 years and a developing world... but seemed sort of relevant...our lifetime is barely a blip on the radar when you start looking more macro.

tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Jun 14, 2018 - 06:38pm PT
All of us rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars.

Could we pave roads? Fight wildland fire? Pay for teachers? How about the fish in the lakes and rivers? The highway, down Main Street, who pays? What will our minimum wage be? What happens to our DMV? Who administers our Medi-Cal? Does the money go up or down?

What's the point of this ballot initiative?
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 14, 2018 - 06:55pm PT
depends on what kinda settlement you get for the water...

great link briham89
BJ

climber
Jun 14, 2018 - 06:57pm PT
What's the point of this ballot initiative?
Escape the jack booted tyranny of the libtards who soak us with tax bills to pay for lavender and paisley
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.

I've never understood how the States could have ratified the 17th. The single greatest blow to State's rights in our history.
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:52pm PT
Huh? Have you actually looked at the map of the proposed split?

Have you? California's current U.S. Senators are Democrats Dianne Feinstein and Kamala Harris. The mayors of LA and SF are extreme dems. My guess is that if Cali splits all 6 senators would be dems.

Kevin McCarthy, Devin Nunes, Paul Cook, Dana Rorabacher, Darrell Issa, Duncan Hunter, Ken Calvert, and Mimi Walters - all GOP off the top of my head.

That is a mere handfull of those that hold public office in Cali.
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
You st00pid politards can have 200 senators and still can't do anything right.

You're all brainwashed runaway trainwrecks and so are your st00pid politics ....
johntp

Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
You st00pid politards can have 200 senators and still can't do anything right.

You're all brainwashed runaway trainwrecks and so are your st00pid politics ....

Werner for quote of the day. I knew I should't have stepped into this steaming pile.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jun 14, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
John

I looked at a couple of maps that show house seats as solid Democrats or Republicans or leaning D/R. And compared it to the three way split. It looks decidedly Republican.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jun 14, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
All of us rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars.

Could we pave roads? Fight wildland fire? Pay for teachers? How about the fish in the lakes and rivers? The highway, down Main Street, who pays? What will our minimum wage be? What happens to our DMV? Who administers our Medi-Cal? Does the money go up or down?

I have a conservative friend who says you rural folks could withhold water from the big cities. dumb, I know.
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jun 14, 2018 - 09:47pm PT
"The mayors of LA and SF are extreme dems. My guess is that if Cali splits all 6 senators would be dems."

Your "guess". Well thanks for guessing.

Maybe, just maybe, you should LOOK AT THE MAP of the proposal, which counties/congressional districts are in the "southern california" division/state, and understand that all those Congress members I listed are Republicans from that "southern california" "state". It's specifically designed to be as GOP as possible, would likely have a very narrow GOP edge in POTUS years or tossup at min, and would lean GOP in off-POTUS election years when turnout among younger voters is notably lower.

While you're welcome to "guess", it would be nice if you actually looked at some data and informed yourself, instead of spraying uninformed ignorance.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Jun 14, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
Withold water? The state owns the water. Which state would then own the water? What would happen to water rights under state law?

Witholding water, would be direct action at this point. I mean protests and possibly armed rebellion. Does your friend mean this or is he talking out of his rear end?

This all seems to me to be a bunch of big talk and no real discussion of the actual problems caused by the split. In this modern world, it could pass. Big talking nonsense polls well these days.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 14, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
The "withholding water" scheme isn't a plan. It's an argument to demonstrate the stupidity of the "rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars" statement.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jun 14, 2018 - 10:27pm PT
I have a conservative friend who says you rural folks could withhold water from the big cities. dumb, I know.

I know, right? That worked so well in the Owens Valley, lol.

In general you can't sell your water rights and keep them too.

However, a new northern state could make it one hell of a lot harder to build new conveyance projects to get that water to the south lands, I will give him that.

DMT
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