Does Califonia need 3 times as many Senators?

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couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 12, 2018 - 07:12pm PT

It's going to be on the ballot. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html

Last time was West Virginia when some state got so pissed off they split from the state they were part of. The republicans, just formed to get rid of slavery and a bunch of rabble rousers, supported the move due to the civil war. It will be interesting to watch this go round.

opps, I'd like to buy an R Alex.....
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 12, 2018 - 07:48pm PT
Let me see Wyoming pop. 580,000 and California pop. 39,500,000 both have two Senators...seems wrong to me,
skywalker1

Trad climber
co
Jun 12, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
Isn't 2 per state the purpose? Even voice so Wyoming doesn't get steam rolled by Cali or Delaware doesn't get steam rolled by Pennsylvania? House of Rep different as to give everyone a rep but in equally small tribes say, so more Reps. No? The latter has become a bit weird now because of "gerry mandering".

S.....

Edit: My bust I see what is being proposed. Godspeed.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 12, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
It was the purpose in 1787 and made some sense then...same for the second amendment...both need further amending to work in todayís world.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jun 12, 2018 - 08:48pm PT
Isn't 2 per state the purpose?
Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jun 12, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
This isn't really about Senate representation. This is an obvious ploy by the GOP to peel off Presidential electoral votes. The new boundaries for the 3 states would guarantee one of them is red - it contains Orange, San Bernardino, Riverside, and Kern Counties among others.

The net effect in the Senate would be no change, although there would be 6 Senators, two of them would be GOP, four Democrat, leaving a net result of +2 Dem the exact same thing we have now. It's blatantly obvious what the play here is, and it's not about "more representation for California". It's about splitting up the electoral votes for the biggest state, taking what would normally be all blue and peeling off some percentage as red.

If the US as a whole want to apportion Senate seats by population, as we do in the House, I'm 100% for it. But we don't need to split the state up to do that. This is a scam, from a duplicitous, dying GOP. F*#k them and the horse they rode in on.
Ross Rondez

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Jun 12, 2018 - 10:19pm PT
2 senators is all you get. become a country and you wont have to worry about it. Make Jerry the first King of California. you know you want to. Abolish Orange County and make them pay double taxes. Yea!
Ross Rondez

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Jun 12, 2018 - 10:21pm PT
How about that President??? Wish I had a Limo with a shitter in it
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
Jun 12, 2018 - 11:44pm PT
Sounds like a pipe dream like the so-called 'State of Jefferson' movement with just as much a chance of being enacted.
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:13am PT
Good grief! You guys DO understand how our government is constructed to operate, right?
skywalker1

Trad climber
co
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:36am PT
^^^ Yes from a high school civics class that didn't have the funding for a textbook. ;-)



S...
ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jun 13, 2018 - 01:24am PT
California should become it's own country. They provide all the food for the world and all the technology. And they had the brains not to vote for rump. Unfortunately, living conditions along the better known throughfares are squalid at best, and greedy landlords rule the state.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jun 13, 2018 - 04:43am PT
That would totally mess up our awesome flag.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Jun 13, 2018 - 05:22am PT
California needs about 4x the number of electoral college votes to match Montana on a per capita basis.
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:06am PT
the constitution has not scaled well

this one of its many deficiencies was a compromises to bring slave holders onboard and put their fears at ease

to much respect for slavers is a big problem
to many disreputables hiding under that skirt

were all for bring people together
especially when it helps tear others apart...
Credit: xCon

Keith Reed

climber
Johnson county TX
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:12am PT
No.
And donít spilt into 3. The last dude that was running the division of California moved back to Russia. Not kidding.

A better plan would be to add seats to the House of Representatives so that states with larger populations have more representation.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2018 - 08:16am PT
I think we should be annexing, not sub-dividing. Look at all that unused water in Oregon....

DMT
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:10am PT
I think there would be much more responsive and representative governments if they drew the 3 state boundaries differently:
1. SF and silicon valley (possibly north to Santa Rosa and South to Hollister but not Salinas, and maybe east as far as Tracy)
2. LA Basin and San Diego
3. Everything else


Then you address the problems of city-centric vs rural-centric values, and could have more representative state governments for gun laws, abortion, social assistance programs, etc. It could get nasty with inter-state ownership of water rights and new laws that assess taxes and fees on water transferring out of state. That would probably become an issue with the proposed divisions anyways.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:32am PT
Let me see Wyoming pop. 580,000 and California pop. 39,500,000 both have two Senators...seems wrong to me,

If the US as a whole want to apportion Senate seats by population, as we do in the House, I'm 100% for it.

The whole purpose of a bicameral legislature is to see that differing interests are fairly represented. Each state gets two senators so that each state can work equally for it's own interests. The House represents the people, which is why it has the power of the purse. If we apportion Senators the same way we apportion Representatives we might just as well do away with the Senate. What, after all, would be its purpose?

To say that it's unfair for bigger and smaller states to have the same number of Senators is to totally not get it.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jun 13, 2018 - 10:20am PT
What gerrymandering crankloon drew those boundaries?

Credit: T Hocking


NorCal don't want Sacramento or Frisco in our new state,
the State of Jefferson boundaries work for us.
Redding as the capital city ;)

Credit: T Hocking
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