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couchmaster
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 12, 2018 - 07:12pm PT
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It's going to be on the ballot. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html
Last time was West Virginia when some state got so pissed off they split from the state they were part of. The republicans, just formed to get rid of slavery and a bunch of rabble rousers, supported the move due to the civil war. It will be interesting to watch this go round.
opps, I'd like to buy an R Alex.....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2018 - 07:48pm PT
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Let me see Wyoming pop. 580,000 and California pop. 39,500,000 both have two Senators...seems wrong to me,
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Jun 12, 2018 - 08:41pm PT
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Isn't 2 per state the purpose? Even voice so Wyoming doesn't get steam rolled by Cali or Delaware doesn't get steam rolled by Pennsylvania? House of Rep different as to give everyone a rep but in equally small tribes say, so more Reps. No? The latter has become a bit weird now because of "gerry mandering".
S.....
Edit: My bust I see what is being proposed. Godspeed.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
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It was the purpose in 1787 and made some sense then...same for the second amendment...both need further amending to work in today’s world.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Jun 12, 2018 - 08:48pm PT
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Isn't 2 per state the purpose? Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jun 12, 2018 - 11:44pm PT
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Sounds like a pipe dream like the so-called 'State of Jefferson' movement with just as much a chance of being enacted.
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Robb
Social climber
Cat Box
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:13am PT
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Good grief! You guys DO understand how our government is constructed to operate, right?
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:36am PT
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^^^ Yes from a high school civics class that didn't have the funding for a textbook. ;-)
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 13, 2018 - 04:43am PT
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That would totally mess up our awesome flag.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Jun 13, 2018 - 05:22am PT
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California needs about 4x the number of electoral college votes to match Montana on a per capita basis.
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Keith Reed
climber
Johnson county TX
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Jun 13, 2018 - 08:12am PT
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No.
And don’t spilt into 3. The last dude that was running the division of California moved back to Russia. Not kidding.
A better plan would be to add seats to the House of Representatives so that states with larger populations have more representation.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jun 13, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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I think there would be much more responsive and representative governments if they drew the 3 state boundaries differently:
1. SF and silicon valley (possibly north to Santa Rosa and South to Hollister but not Salinas, and maybe east as far as Tracy)
2. LA Basin and San Diego
3. Everything else
Then you address the problems of city-centric vs rural-centric values, and could have more representative state governments for gun laws, abortion, social assistance programs, etc. It could get nasty with inter-state ownership of water rights and new laws that assess taxes and fees on water transferring out of state. That would probably become an issue with the proposed divisions anyways.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 13, 2018 - 09:32am PT
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Let me see Wyoming pop. 580,000 and California pop. 39,500,000 both have two Senators...seems wrong to me,
If the US as a whole want to apportion Senate seats by population, as we do in the House, I'm 100% for it.
The whole purpose of a bicameral legislature is to see that differing interests are fairly represented. Each state gets two senators so that each state can work equally for it's own interests. The House represents the people, which is why it has the power of the purse. If we apportion Senators the same way we apportion Representatives we might just as well do away with the Senate. What, after all, would be its purpose?
To say that it's unfair for bigger and smaller states to have the same number of Senators is to totally not get it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 13, 2018 - 10:29am PT
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This little PBS "Crash Course" is obviously meant as a teaching tool for a young audience, but it is a pretty clear explanation of why Congress is structured the way it is. It's a worthwhile 8 mins.
https://www.pbs.org/video/crash-course-government-2/
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jun 13, 2018 - 10:30am PT
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They provide all the food for the world and all the technology.
Now now, you know what they say about exaggerating.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
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I think it should be divided into 80 states so we have the same federal representation as Wyoming.
However it may be divided, it should be into equal populations (which eliminates the state of "Jefferson), and gerrymandered to be as blue as possible.
Also, the following should be combined into one state: Montana, WY, ID, NV, SD, ND, UT, Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:32pm PT
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Everybody here is so much wiser than the Founding Fathers.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
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Everybody here is so much wiser than the Founding Fathers.
Not me. That's why I think we have the best founding documents in history.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 13, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
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Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.
That actually makes sense given the diversity and population.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jun 13, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
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Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.
correct.
what idiot came up with those boundaries?
Edit: no cal, as proposed would be ok. central cal would extend to the Tehachapis, and everything south of there would be so cal.
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