Does Califonia need 3 times as many Senators?

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T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jun 13, 2018 - 10:34am PT
Credit: T Hocking

If it were up to me anything north of Red Bluff would be the
State of Southern Oregon and I'd be a proud resident. ;)
That work for you Dingus?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2018 - 10:36am PT
No I like you as a Californian. You're from LA, for christsakes! Move to the land of perpetual rain if you must, but Oregonians are an objectionable bunch, on the whole.

DMT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
I think it should be divided into 80 states so we have the same federal representation as Wyoming.


However it may be divided, it should be into equal populations (which eliminates the state of "Jefferson), and gerrymandered to be as blue as possible.

Also, the following should be combined into one state: Montana, WY, ID, NV, SD, ND, UT, Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:32pm PT
Everybody here is so much wiser than the Founding Fathers.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
Everybody here is so much wiser than the Founding Fathers.

Not me. That's why I think we have the best founding documents in history.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jun 13, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.

That actually makes sense given the diversity and population.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jun 13, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
Yes, but the proposal is to break California into 3 states, not just to increase its representation in the Senate.

correct.

what idiot came up with those boundaries?

Edit: no cal, as proposed would be ok. central cal would extend to the Tehachapis, and everything south of there would be so cal.
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jun 13, 2018 - 04:31pm PT
"what idiot came up with those boundaries?"

A GOP agitator, looking to peel off Presidental electoral college votes. It's blatantly obvious what the play here is, the "southern california" is gerrymandered to be a GOP stronghold, the effect in the Senate would be nothing - the status quo is CA has 2 Dems; split it into 3 states and you have 6 senators, 4 Dem and 2 GOP. That's still a net of 2 Dems. So the GOP loses nothng in the Senate, but gains the Presidential electoral college votes of that "southern california" state.

No chance it passes, but it is a good reminder of how f#cked up our initiative system is when any lunatic proposal can get on the ballot, particularly in a post-Citizens United age where there are no limits to dark money/corp spending to influence those ballots.

The guy helping back this thing, he tried this before in 2014, is one of the early Theranos investors, Tim Draper, who's currently claiming it's all the media's fault for exposing that Theranos fraud, rather than the chick who actually faked the science and ran the scam.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jun 13, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
the "southern california" is gerrymandered to be a GOP stronghold

Huh? SoCal is owned by the dems.

edit: can't say I know who represents Cali in the senate though. Is that aged dog Diane Feinstien still a senator?
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jun 13, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
Wait... I got it...

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BJ

climber
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:38pm PT
To say that it's unfair for bigger and smaller states to have the same number of Senators is to totally not get it.

It is deliberately unfair.

It wasn't the only unfair compromise that was made to close the deal.

The other one was more than unfair. It was unholy.

Both part of the same deal to get the slave states to buy in to the USA.
BJ

climber
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
guam puerto rico and the virgin islands should be states

Guam and the USVI have pretty small populations, ones that would make Wyoming look teeming. But they should have a vote.

PR should be able to do what they want, statehood, territory with a vote or independance.
ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
probably should make it into four states, the number one cash crop is weed from Humboldt, so maybe have a place named Humboldt State? Tax free of course, with Abbbie Hoffman and Jerry Garcia as Senators, maybe open up some natural food places and have a Reggae Festival, maybe a tax free radio station, call it KHUM, am i gettin ahead of myself here? is this too progressive for the trumptards?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 13, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.

We tried electing senators by popular vote, and it doesn't work.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:49am PT
Chaz, Iím curious why you think that would be better. Is there a logical framework for it or is it mainly because the popular vote consistently outweighs what you want?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 14, 2018 - 07:55am PT
It was good enough for Lincoln-Douglass. Neither of those guys were on a ballot after their debates.
BJ

climber
Jun 14, 2018 - 08:16am PT
I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.

Do you know how they would vote and the likely makeup of the resulting Senate?

I doubt it.

http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/Documents/Elections/Legis_Control_041118_26973.pdf
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Jun 14, 2018 - 03:35pm PT
"Huh? SoCal is owned by the dems."

Huh? Have you actually looked at the map of the proposed split?

"SoCal" in this case would be Orange, Kern, Fresno, San Bernardino, Riverside, Kings, Tulare, Madera, Inyo, Mono, Imperial, and San Diego counties. That doesn't exactly say "owned by Dems" to me when those area currently have a lot of GOP districts:

Kevin McCarthy, Devin Nunes, Paul Cook, Dana Rorabacher, Darrell Issa, Duncan Hunter, Ken Calvert, and Mimi Walters - all GOP off the top of my head.
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Jun 14, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
Countries, 1000 years and a developing world... but seemed sort of relevant...our lifetime is barely a blip on the radar when you start looking more macro.

tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Jun 14, 2018 - 06:38pm PT
All of us rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars.

Could we pave roads? Fight wildland fire? Pay for teachers? How about the fish in the lakes and rivers? The highway, down Main Street, who pays? What will our minimum wage be? What happens to our DMV? Who administers our Medi-Cal? Does the money go up or down?

What's the point of this ballot initiative?
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