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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 13, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
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the "southern california" is gerrymandered to be a GOP stronghold
Huh? SoCal is owned by the dems.
edit: can't say I know who represents Cali in the senate though. Is that aged dog Diane Feinstien still a senator?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 13, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
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Wait... I got it...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 13, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
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I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.
We tried electing senators by popular vote, and it doesn't work.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jun 14, 2018 - 07:49am PT
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Chaz, I’m curious why you think that would be better. Is there a logical framework for it or is it mainly because the popular vote consistently outweighs what you want?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 14, 2018 - 07:55am PT
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It was good enough for Lincoln-Douglass. Neither of those guys were on a ballot after their debates.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Jun 14, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
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Countries, 1000 years and a developing world... but seemed sort of relevant...our lifetime is barely a blip on the radar when you start looking more macro.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jun 14, 2018 - 06:38pm PT
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All of us rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars.
Could we pave roads? Fight wildland fire? Pay for teachers? How about the fish in the lakes and rivers? The highway, down Main Street, who pays? What will our minimum wage be? What happens to our DMV? Who administers our Medi-Cal? Does the money go up or down?
What's the point of this ballot initiative?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 14, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
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I'm all for repealing the 17th Amendment, and going back to having state legislatures choose the senators.
I've never understood how the States could have ratified the 17th. The single greatest blow to State's rights in our history.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Jun 14, 2018 - 07:52pm PT
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Huh? Have you actually looked at the map of the proposed split?
Have you? California's current U.S. Senators are Democrats Dianne Feinstein and Kamala Harris. The mayors of LA and SF are extreme dems. My guess is that if Cali splits all 6 senators would be dems.
Kevin McCarthy, Devin Nunes, Paul Cook, Dana Rorabacher, Darrell Issa, Duncan Hunter, Ken Calvert, and Mimi Walters - all GOP off the top of my head.
That is a mere handfull of those that hold public office in Cali.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 14, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
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You st00pid politards can have 200 senators and still can't do anything right.
You're all brainwashed runaway trainwrecks and so are your st00pid politics ....
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Jun 14, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
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You st00pid politards can have 200 senators and still can't do anything right.
You're all brainwashed runaway trainwrecks and so are your st00pid politics ....
Werner for quote of the day. I knew I should't have stepped into this steaming pile.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 14, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
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John
I looked at a couple of maps that show house seats as solid Democrats or Republicans or leaning D/R. And compared it to the three way split. It looks decidedly Republican.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jun 14, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
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All of us rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars.
Could we pave roads? Fight wildland fire? Pay for teachers? How about the fish in the lakes and rivers? The highway, down Main Street, who pays? What will our minimum wage be? What happens to our DMV? Who administers our Medi-Cal? Does the money go up or down?
I have a conservative friend who says you rural folks could withhold water from the big cities. dumb, I know.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jun 14, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
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Withold water? The state owns the water. Which state would then own the water? What would happen to water rights under state law?
Witholding water, would be direct action at this point. I mean protests and possibly armed rebellion. Does your friend mean this or is he talking out of his rear end?
This all seems to me to be a bunch of big talk and no real discussion of the actual problems caused by the split. In this modern world, it could pass. Big talking nonsense polls well these days.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 14, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
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The "withholding water" scheme isn't a plan. It's an argument to demonstrate the stupidity of the "rural folks would be screwed without big city tax dollars" statement.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 15, 2018 - 09:30am PT
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Water rights are one thing...water avaiable another. California has a problem that can only worsen.
California’s statewide annual percipitation is 21.44 inches compared to a national average of 30.21.
That should be a bit ominous for a state with 39.5 million people but then add agriculture.
California produce receipts in agriculture that were 20 billion dollars more than any other state.
Consider that 80% of the water used in California is used for agriculture and you see the true scope of the problem.
Ground water is being used far more then it is being replenished,,,,then what?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 15, 2018 - 10:06am PT
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Escape the jack booted tyranny of the libtards who soak us with tax bills to pay for lavender and paisley
..and county relief checks.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 15, 2018 - 10:07am PT
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the current consumption of water in California is unsustainable
Agriculture is 1% of the California economy. A case can be made that certain types of farming are becoming obsolete. subsidizing stupid crops with cheap water is poor policy
Ground water is being used far more then it is being replenished,,,,then what?
Reducing use by raising prices
Desalinization with renewable energy
http://www.carlsbaddesal.com/
The Claude “Bud” Lewis Carlsbad Desalination Plant is the largest, most technologically advanced and energy-efficient seawater desalination plant in the nation. Each day, the plant delivers nearly 50 million gallons (56,000 acre-feet per year (AFY)) of fresh, desalinated water to San Diego County – enough to serve approximately 400,000 people
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 15, 2018 - 11:09am PT
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If each user paid the FMV of the water they were using then the market would take care of itself. Corruption and influence stop that from happening. Policy is not set with the greater pubic good in mind, policy is set to benefit the most powerful constituents.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 15, 2018 - 11:40am PT
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Right on Dingus...I no longer drink almond milk, went back to soy.
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