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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Apr 17, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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if erik wants to sell some old classic rusty hangers to a good home so that he can fund more bolt replacement, then that doesn't sound like the worst thing. He has put the time, money, and work to replace these old bolts...and they are his to do with as he pleases. i myself have replaced dozens of old bolts on el cap, and have kept a few for my private museum...including an original bolt from the NA wall stamped YC for yvon chouinard. I don't agree with all of erik's so-called stewardship programs and have told him as much, but old hangers are the reward for somebody REPLACING old bolts. ss
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 17, 2018 - 09:34am PT
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they are his to do with as he pleases.
It would be nice if somebody who actually knows the law would confirm or deny this.
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Scole
Trad climber
Zapopan
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Apr 17, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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I have a wooden wedge I removed from the compressor on Cerro Torre. I am pretty sure it was left there by Cesare Maestri. I am asking $3,753 for it.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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Apr 17, 2018 - 10:16am PT
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I wonder what some would say if someone the replaced old bolts with brand spanking new ones bought at their own expense started charging a fee to anyone who thereafter used them in their ascent.
How do you define ownership? Maybe Sloan is selling the old bolts to recover some of his costs in re-placing the old bolts. Does that make a difference?
People here argue about anything, typically self-righteous in tone.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2018 - 10:56am PT
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Your hatred for Eric has you pissing over him selling shards of worthless scrap metal on the internet. It's pitiful and comical. It's a fantasy to think that stuff has any value at all and you're just as much a narc as you claim he is to believe it. Nobody is paying top dollar for that junk.
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Da-Veed
Big Wall climber
Bigfork
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:24am PT
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Historical...YES.
Dangerous...YES.
WTF are you going to do? Place a plaque next to them stating that it was placed by Robbins or Harding 50 years ago? But be sure not to clip them!
Making money off this is lame indeed, they should be donated. At the very least the money being made should be put back into the Facelift or Access Fund or something similar.
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:26am PT
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Powerdrills don't last forever. Maybe he needs a replacement?
Tree saw dull?
Behind in child support? Again.
Life's hard in wootland.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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JLP and some others nail it.
This is a lot like Trump Derangement Syndrome. (I'd imagine a lot of you are guilty of committing that venial sin as well--it's human nature, just something to watch out for.)
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:48am PT
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Could this lead to artifact collecting. I have done a lot of old routes and there are tons of pitons that if you documented where they were from could sell on the internet in no time. Not sure it is a great idea encourage this. You are alos getting into should a pin be replaced with a bolt debate.
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brotherbbock
climber
So-Cal
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:58am PT
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Who is gonna stop Wooty boy if it is deemed illegal?
One of you guys??? Yeah right!
He will continue to woot as he pleases.
Just let the man get his woot on.... he will bolt, chop, and sell.
Nothing phases the man as we have seen in the past...especially the taco calling him out.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Apr 17, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
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Have you ever taken a rock from a National Park?
Have you ever failed to keep your dog on a leash in a National Park?
Have you ever gone sledding in a parking lot in a National Park?
Have you ever foraged for food in a National Park?
ALL of the above are "Breakin' the law....breakin' the law...."
If you've ever done any of these, please, quit making a case for the legality of replacing mank. I really appreciate what guys like Eric, Roger, the ASCA etc do for replacing these things in general. Let it go. You'll only invite restriction, conflict and poor optics onto the climbing community as a whole.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Apr 17, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
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I am thankful that Erik is making these available to collectors.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Apr 17, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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Shipoopoi nails it.
Bolt replacement is a tedious chore, and every day someone spends doing it is a day they don’t spend climbing, or making a living for that matter. If this is what it takes to get the mank swapped out, then it’s okay by me. You don’t have to approve of everything Erik’s done over the years (I sure don’t) to acknowledge that his 1:1 replacement work benefits us all.
And when you’re done, E, go ahead and divide your ‘dollars received’ by ‘hours spent’ so we can all get worked up about how rich you’re becoming with this knuckle-bashing toil that few others seem to want to do.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Apr 17, 2018 - 03:30pm PT
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Look how many folks scoured routes and the base of cliffs for Salathe pins, for example. They were (and very much are) a coveted item.
In later years...maybe some get sold to collectors.
Right, wrong, indifferent?
I dunno. I have a few bolt hangers and old pins from replacement work. Kinda neato.
If you take the initiative to do the work, maybe you should reap the rewards of your efforts? I know I contribute to bolt replacement efforts when I can, but, if you really had to pay a person to do it? What are they supposed to do with all that junkie hardware?
I dunno. "Woot" maybe...
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Apr 17, 2018 - 07:41pm PT
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Don't know why but I just read that whole origamiboulder thing.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Apr 17, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2018 - 09:10pm PT
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For sale - my jockstrap from a NIAD ascent - in July - one million dollars.
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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Apr 17, 2018 - 11:05pm PT
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Don't know why but I just read that whole origamiboulder thing.
You climber, not smart dumb dumb
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Apr 18, 2018 - 12:08am PT
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This is one of the LEAST offensive things Sloan has done, which is saying something...
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Apr 18, 2018 - 02:05am PT
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Amazed they are going for so much.
As an original board member of the ASCA with Chris Mac, and the fact that I had donated a bunch of A5 gear for auctions to help with the original bolt replacements, I was given 8 original Harding Nose bolts by Chris, along with a few other old bolts from other routes. I had the foresight to label them carefully for my personal collection of junk gear. I gave some of them to Chessler after he bought a bunch of books from me, too—wonder if he ever sold them off.
All I can say is, wow! $175 for an old bolt. That’s supply and demand. Would anyone object if he was selling them for $5, I wonder?
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