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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:30pm PT
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Nobody eats Trump without puking, except of course Judy.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
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Donna Brazile, DNC chair(at the time).
Donna Brazil said hillary colluded with the Russians?
I’ve never heard that.
Source?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
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That is a separate issue, from the fact that Russia illegally interfered in the election. Whether Trump would have won, anyway, is beside the point. Federal election laws were violated, and the Russians conspired to defraud the United States with those violations.
I still don't understand how Russia did this? Did they influence your vote? Mine? Hillary's? Which election laws were violated? Who did it and how?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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Yes, Russia interfered in the election. They colluded with Hillary's campaign and the DNC to screw Sanders in the primary.
The russians outed hillary by hacking into the democratic campaign emails...that hurt her and didn't help her...sorry jody...
How does bringing the truth out to light for all to see hurt your democracy/republic? Jody, please explain to a guy who only spent a decade in your country and now no longer lives in a Republic but a Democracy with more than two parties to vote for.
If that really happened, and you can prove it, how does it violate election rules?
you are a liar, Jody..........prove it
Seems like she is proving it by posting hearsay.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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Patrick, convert the pdf to a jpeg and post as a photo.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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I cringe to think about the possibility of war between nuclear powers. Or war period. But every president in the past has brought you more war.
Now you have one who talks about peace, actually has dialog with people you are frothing at the mouth to bomb, and I'm not going to be surprised if he gets the boot.
OTOH, it would be good for Canada if some dummy could go back in and let us keep taking advantage of you in trade again....
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
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Here you go fools
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:10pm PT
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Yes, Russia interfered in the election. They colluded with Hillary's campaign and the DNC to screw Sanders in the primary.
another Jody lie
prove it
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:14pm PT
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So Contractor, HOW did he do that?
I mean, you live in a type of democracy where votes help determine somewhat, who becomes president, no?
What could have been done to influence those votes? Does he own the media? They were all against Trump.
Did he own the electronic voting machines?
I can't think of any other way to influence you or me when we went to the polls. Did he post on ST? No, nobody changes their mind on anything because of ST posts.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
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Cornell University Law:
When it was revealed that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by hacking into the email system of the Democratic National Committee and releasing its emails, international lawyers were divided over whether the cyber-attack violated international law. President Obama seemingly went out of his way to describe the attack as a mere violation of “established international norms of behavior,” though some international lawyers were more willing to describe the cyber-attack as a violation of international law. However, identifying the exact legal norm that was contravened turns out to be harder than it might otherwise appear. To the layperson, the Russian hacking constituted an impermissible (and perhaps shocking) interference in the American political process—an intervention that non-lawyers would not hesitate to label a “violation of sovereignty” as that term is used in political or diplomatic discourse.
The problem arises when one attempts to translate that common-sense intuition into legal discourse. At that point, the translation effort breaks down for a variety of reasons. The genesis of the difficulty is that none of the standard rubrics for understanding illegal interventions clearly and unambiguously applies to the facts in question. That being said, it would be a mistake to hastily reject our common-sense intuitions about the impropriety of Russian hacking during the election. The lack of fit with the doctrinal requirements for an illegal intervention against another state’s sovereignty is simply an indication that the notions of “sovereignty” and “intervention”—though mainstays of contemporary public international law doctrine—are poorly suited to analyzing the legality of the conduct in this case. A far better rubric for analyzing the behavior is the notion of self-determination, a legal concept that captures the right of a people to decide, for themselves, both their political arrangements and their future destiny.
This is the gist of what google searches say... in other words, Obama said legally it wasn't crossing the line even though citizens could feel it was in poor taste, even though it didn't force their hand when voting.
Try google sometime
Nobody seems to know. Not even google. Can't get a straight answer on what was done, why it was wrong, and how it influenced an individual's vote.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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HOW did he do that?
Look Brosephus, its obvious you haven't been paying attention or have the slightest Canucking idea wtf is going on so maybe you can spend some time getting up to speed on what the relevant Law is instead of us having to hold your hand?
Or just be a dumbass holding opinions without any real knowledge like most conservatives I know?
If you ask again I will mock you a second time....
How were you influenced by the Russians? Would you change your vote if they hadn't interfered? How did they dupe you? Is the country blaming others for their own poor choice? I'm not mocking you... really. But I guess that admitting that you were duped by the Russians into voting for Trump would support the theory that they interfered in the election, and would explain how they did so. So far I have never met an American who has admitted this. And none of them I know voted for Trump. I was on the phone with a couple the night the ballots were counted and they were crying, unbelief, that a clown got elected. The Russians didn't fool them.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:32pm PT
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Read the 29 page indictment tooth
Available at justice.gov and elswhere
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:36pm PT
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https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
I have.
Still doesn't answer my question of why anyone voted for Trump because of this. And I'm sure now that nobody ever will admit that they did so because of this.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
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and lying, except under oath, is not a crime
ask Jody, he knows all about lying
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:45pm PT
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Stealing information from private computers and from political opponents is a crime. Conspiring and colluding with foreign governments to commit crimes is a crime.
JODY
So now Yes, Russia interfered in the election. They colluded with Hillary's campaign and the DNC to screw Sanders in the primary.
This isn't the crime anymore? Interfering in the election?
TOM
That is a separate issue, from the fact that Russia illegally interfered in the election
Still no evidence of interference. Just hacking that thing in Clinton's closet. When American voters read private emails of people they were voting for we are supposed to believe that caused interference in the voting process?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
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obtuse much?
Still not one answer on how it influenced a single vote, let alone how it swayed the entire election from 24% chance of Trump winning to what we have today.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 09:01pm PT
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Admit it then, the Russians fooled you into voting for Trump.
Don't be mad at me, I didn't vote for him.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 16, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
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Now I can understand the anger. It must mostly be from Americans who were fooled, but now they want a do-over. Your world really does work like that, fickle, who has the best dirt on the other guy?! Yeah, I guess I couldn't work for the Russians, they already knew how silly .. damn, 10 years down there and I missed it. Maybe next time you'll vote based on things that matter?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 16, 2018 - 09:07pm PT
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Were people fooled?
Hard to know for sure.
The next election may shed light on it
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