Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency

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Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
Jun 16, 2018 - 03:58pm PT
Yes, when people who have had every advantage still decide to embrace the criminal path it says a lot about the ethical state of the nation at large.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Jun 16, 2018 - 04:11pm PT
^ I'm not certain I agree with that.

Do you believe the TrumpCo ethics say something about YOU, as a citizen of this country? If the answer is no - why would you be exempt?

There are plenty of people who have wealth or have been supported by it that do not act in unethical/illegal ways.

There are plenty of people who have struggled daily to meet their basic needs, who choose against criminality.


On another thought - This morning I was thinking: Trump could have run as Democrat, had what he really wanted was to "be president."

1)Why didn't he?
2) What if he had - how would GOP be stomaching "The Trump Saga" if it WERE a Democrat issue? Seriously - for those who are supporting Trump still - imagine he is DEM, with these daily installations of his reality/horror show. How would you be reacting then?


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jun 16, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
I have zero sympathy. I'll save that for the young person brought up in a single parent household with little positive influence available to help form their life; where the streets gave them no real good choices but crime.

Are you speaking from experience? Did you choose crime?

If you're not speaking from experience, then you literally don't know what you're talking about. If you are speaking from experience and didn't choose crime, then you are just one of MANY exceptions to your "rule." Indeed, there IS no "rule" as you suggest.

I can speak from such experience. I did not choose crime. I watched the decision-making processes of those around me that did choose crime. And they had REAL good choices besides the ones they made.

I have zero sympathy for the ones that choose the life of crime and then blame "society" for their cop-outs.

And the single-parent household is something that liberal policies have almost entirely created. So, you get your wish and then have ONLY "sympathy" for the victims of your policies.

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Of course, it's all the Republicans' fault, now Trump's.

People (and corporations) should enjoy the consequences of their choices. Both individual and corporate welfare is wrong. Both Republicans and Democrats believe in stealing; they just both believe that THEIR stealing is morally justified. Neither is. You sympathy is misplaced.
RURP_Belay

Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
And the single-parent household is something that liberal policies have almost entirely created

I LOL'd.
Jorroh

climber
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:23pm PT
Madbolters a veritable false equivalence machine. Pretty comical.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
cute race traitor ya got there!

And who's the racist here?

Oh, riggghhhttt... Black scholars should all toe the racial line about how "underprivileged" SOCIETY has made blacks. Any black scholar not toeing that line is a "race traitor."

WHO's the racist here?

"you get a safety net" they told the left "just as long as we make sure it doesn't work!"

I'm just curious why you continue to support the Democratic party, when by your own lights it is perpetually so UTTERLY legislatively incompetent.

I mean, to hear you tell it, the poor, poor Democrats can just NEVER get their way, because the Great Satan always messes up what would otherwise be able to produce the great utopia. The poor, poor Democrats appear to be perpetually unable to get their way in the world, which is why ALL blame must fall on the Great Satan.

Poor, incompetent Democrat party. And poor, blind followers of it after so many years of demonstrated (by the followers' own arguments) legislative incompetency.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:25pm PT
Madbolters a veritable false equivalence machine.

Oooo, somebody found Wiki's "fallacies" page. LOL
RURP_Belay

Big Wall climber
Bitter end of a bad anchor
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
^^When previously staunch Conservatives go bad. It's gotta be a whirlwind in that 7DA brain right now to make things sensible.

Still LOL'ing.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 16, 2018 - 05:53pm PT
MB1! I'm so glad you are back & posting.

I feared you missed this post, due to "real-world" needs & wants on your part.

Jun 14, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
I perhaps offended MB1, by asserting that the Republican Tax Cut was done for the benefit of their rich & corporate donors, & for the benefit of the greedy.

I’ve always thought of MB1 as an Ayn Rand character similar to Howard Roark, although quite a bit longer on prose, & shorter on integrity.

Here’s a bit of a longish Atlantic Magazine article, that traces the popularization of greed to the 1700’s, but gives credit to author Ayn Rand for the current popularity of greed among conservatives.


Accordingly, in recent decades, a new line of argument has opened in the moral defense of greed, a change that was augured and embodied above all others by Ayn Rand. Rand understood that, when someone defended greed by an appeal to the common good, he was also conceding that greed could be checked by it. As the moral foundation for free markets, such an argument was entirely unacceptable to Rand, who took aim at it in her 1965 essay What is Capitalism?

“Implicitly, uncritically, and by default, political economy accepted as its axioms the fundamental tenets of collectivism,” she declared in a sweeping indictment of the Invisible Hand tradition. “The moral justification of capitalism does not lie in the altruist claim that it represents the best way to achieve ‘the common good.’” That may be so, but it is “merely a secondary consequence.” Instead, capitalism is the only economic system in which “the exceptional men” are not “held down by the majority” and in which (as she said elsewhere) the “only good” that humans can do to one another and “the only statement of their proper relationship” are both acknowledged: “Hands off!”

A woman who titled a collection of essays The Virtue of Selfishness, Rand was given to brackish candor. Yet at a time when many people think that the common good is more often imperiled than empowered by unbridled greed, she provides an alternative defense of the acquisitive instinct by appealing to an ethics of gross achievement and a formulation of personal liberty that looks with suspicion and disdain on any talk of civic duty, moral obligation, or even prudential restraint. Her aim was simple: To relieve greed, once and for all, of any moral taint.

“I think greed is healthy,” an apparent acolyte told the graduating class at Berkeley’s business school in 1986. “You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself.” The speaker was Ivan Boesky, who shortly thereafter would be fined $100 million, and later go to prison, for insider trading. His address was adapted by Oliver Stone as the basis for Gordon Gekko’s “greed is good” speech in Wall Street. An exhortation to shareholders of a sagging company, it reads like a corporate raider’s war cry, with Gekko the grinning avatar of Agency Theory.


https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/greed-is-good-a-300-year-history-of-a-dangerous-idea/360265/

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 16, 2018 - 06:19pm PT
He is a victim of trumps policy’s.......lol
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jun 16, 2018 - 06:48pm PT
I’ve always thought of MB1 as an Ayn Rand character similar to Howard Roark, although quite a bit longer on prose, & shorter on integrity.

Then, as with your politics, you've gotten your thinking wrong on all points.

I'm still so sickened by "cute race traitor" that I think I'll go throw up and leave you goofballs alone with yourselves.

I'm SO glad that this thread is not a reflection of the thinking of most people in the USA.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 16, 2018 - 07:05pm PT
Good thing for that electoral college ,aye?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 16, 2018 - 07:37pm PT
MB1?

I am so Sorry to have to send you to the bathroom to regurgitate, & worse yet, I don't even know where you found the "cute race traitor" quote that soooo-upset your tender guts.

I'm still so sickened by "cute race traitor" that I think I'll go throw up and leave you goofballs alone with yourselves.

Please!

Let us all observe a second of internet respect, for MB1's tender sensibilities.

It appears he is not a Howard Roark kind of hero.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:16pm PT


Mad Bolter, It's always the same tune. First comes the smoke screen of the paragmatic arbitrator who commands a uniquely objective and authoritative perspective. This is usually followed by the lengthy didactic narative where you sneak in a drive-by inference like this.
And the single-parent household is something that liberal policies have almost entirely created

There is no way in hell to quantify such a bullsh!t statement. You intentionally drop caustic notions like this as fact, to draw out your imaginary, intolerant, liberal cabal so you can cast yourself the fair and balanced martyr. This of course is followed by the, counting now...287th threat of departing the premises.

I actually laugh when I read and write half this crap so lighten up. You complete us.

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:29pm PT
Trumps policy of separating illegal immigrant children from their families is downright evil. Their “caregivers” aren’t allowed to touch (comfort) these kids who maybe under 4 years old and ripped away from their mothers. Now they plan to put them in tents in Texas in the summer. They are traumatizing these children many of whom may now have life long issues. I know Trump is a demogouge, but it seems beyond that. I guess he had some real estate deals go bad in Mexico, but I hope that alone didn’t generate the animosity to create a policy like this.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
A good parent would never enact such a vile policy. Trump has never been accused of being a good parent. It is his family's legacy.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jun 16, 2018 - 09:56pm PT
And the single-parent household is something that liberal policies have almost entirely created

I always thought it was the wars we have been involved in.
A Essex

climber
Jun 17, 2018 - 05:10am PT
and so It begins... the children are just the start

The Mark of The Beast, right hand and forehead, and the Evangelicals are the first in line
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jun 17, 2018 - 05:49am PT
It's truly a tragdy. Ive worked side by side with latin American immigrants my whole life (legal). The characterizations are terrible and false. They pay taxes and work their asses off.

Now I'm going to be forced to build homes with yours and my sons- just imagine how that's going to work out...
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jun 17, 2018 - 06:18am PT
Mad Bolter, It's always the same tune. First comes the smoke screen of the paragmatic arbitrator who commands a uniquely objective and authoritative perspective. This is usually followed by the lengthy didactic narative where you sneak in a drive-by inference like this.

And the single-parent household is something that liberal policies have almost entirely created

There is no way in hell to quantify such a bullsh!t statement. You intentionally drop caustic notions like this as fact, to draw out your imaginary, intolerant, liberal cabal so you can cast yourself the fair and balanced martyr. This of course is followed by the, counting now...287th threat of departing the premises.

I actually laugh when I read and write half this crap so lighten up. You complete us.

^^^ contractor
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