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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:37am PT
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It smells like a partisan bitchfest to me.
Hey Ballo, try calling the public phone line at the White House and then tell me what is a partisan bitchfest. Talk about snowflakes, or just flakes.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Jan 22, 2018 - 06:22am PT
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"Yes, we're in a very narrow window of time in which your statement is true. But that is largely because of uranium prices and demand that have shut down most of our mines. Let demand/prices increase by much, and we'll go right back to what we've done for almost all of our 60-year uranium-mining history."
Also mine underground, you mean?
The US never had many open pit uranium mines, chief. One or two in Wyoming, that's about it.
Mines on the Colorado Plateau were / are all underground. I've read study after study on the miners' cancer rates from that 40's-60's from that area. No surface mines.
I have a list on my work computer of all 13,000+ mines (surface, underground, coal, metal, whatever) in the US if you feel like continuing on this point.
Canada has better uranium deposits than the US - prices would have to triple, at least, to make the crap grades here worth it.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 22, 2018 - 07:51am PT
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Monticello goes out of their way to avoid any connection with “outsiders” so I’m more than happy push any additional costs their way,
I dropped almost 1500 bucks in Monticello last month when I broke a timing belt on a trip to town. I had to have a new motor delivered to Monticello. Notwithstanding bent valves on both sides of the motor, I had a good an experience in Monticello. When I picked up my car from the shop the lady in the office asked if I was in the area to climb. We talked about what a great place IC is. She had been out to the creek was familiar with climbing and asked if I had climbed Super Crack. There are some local climbers living in Monticello.
Moose was going to give me a ride to Vegas but I could not fit my bike and rack in his car so I borrowed his car and brought the bike and rack to town to put it in my car. As luck would have it my car was locked in the shop and we were leaving the next morning going north. I went to the RV park office across the main road. The park manager was the classic grizzled local. I explained my predicament and he was fine with letting me lock my bike and rack to the back of a wood pile, refusing any compensation.
If history is any indicator traffic to IC for recreation will increase faster than the local economy. Plenty of climbers use the hotels and B&Bs in Monticello, as well as the grocery store. I spent a good bit of time at the local library and saw a lot of recreation travelers there using the (awful) internet connection. Monticello is benefiting from IC climbers
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Jan 22, 2018 - 08:46am PT
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There are good people in all the towns down there, but until their local government reflects their will, I see no reason to patronize them. Phil Lyman is their local councilman and has pushed back against all forms of conservation bc it does not allow him to ride his atv through the local ruins.
I’m sure many of his constituents find that kind behavior unacceptable, but until they put their votes where their values are I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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I have a list on my work computer of all 13,000+ mines (surface, underground, coal, metal, whatever) in the US if you feel like continuing on this point.
Just curious whether or not you think that 20% of USA uranium being from open-pit mines is "only a few."
Let's say that 20% of USA uranium came from just one open-pit mine. Wouldn't that be one granddaddy of a sick, destructive operation? Is "number of mines" really the issue if your state is the one that's "blessed" with such an operation?
And, do you think that underground mining for uranium is a panacea that does effectively no environmental damage?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:11am PT
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I am not so naive to think that my boycott will do a damn thing, but just like when I protested the Vietnam war in the early 70s. . . . well, it's the principle of the thing.
I am curious about something. How many forum members patronize businesses that discriminate against minorities?
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:56am PT
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Go f*#k yourself, as#@&%e.
DMT
OUCH!! Need some Sanka, Dingus?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 22, 2018 - 09:58am PT
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Mungo like Monticello, ‘cept no beer to be had. Oh, wait, Mungo mistake Monticello for Blanding.
Stone Lizard Lodge in Blanding is Da Bomb! But Germans staying there non capisce kein bier.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jan 22, 2018 - 10:29am PT
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Monticello goes out of their way to avoid any connection with “outsiders” so I’m more than happy push any additional costs their way, Looking for a guide on a solo trip to IC I ended up at the Canyon Country Discovery Center in Monticello. I bought the guide and got info about where to go mountain biking. Transactions like this are what make areas like Orangeville realize the potential of outdoor recreation as a viable source of income.
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Jan 22, 2018 - 10:48am PT
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They’re well aware of the potential, one of the biggest winners in the recreational game is right up 191 from them. This is a conscious choice, Lyman and the city govt are on the record as not wanting to become another Moab, dependent on tourist money.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 22, 2018 - 11:01am PT
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one of the biggest winners in the recreational game is right up 191 from them.
yeah that, Grand County is one of the wealthiest, San Juan one of the poorest.
When I saw this sign in Blanding I lost my appetite to eat there.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 22, 2018 - 11:05am PT
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Moab is a serious burr under Lyman's saddle. Don't boycott Mowab!
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Jan 22, 2018 - 11:11am PT
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When I saw this sign in Blanding I lost my appetite to eat there.
Can’t blame you for that, but I bet Blanding flips before Monticello.
Josh Ewing is doing great work down there to channel the limited pro monument energy that does exist into a visitors center, while others are working with the native youth to capitalize on visitors(guided tours, history, etc).
Remains to be seen if any of these moves change the overall outlook of the town long term, but it’s a start.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:25pm PT
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A week ago the city office was "closed for human rights day".
Don't boycott Utah over Bears Ears, boycott Utah for (outside the Salt Lake valley) having rampant intolerance.
A wink and a nod is all it takes to maintain the double standard. Write the governor and tell him your dollars aren't coming to Utah unless they not only embrace diversity, but also stop turning a blind eye to the prejudice and instead shame these people for the mental midgets that they are.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
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Our current nuclear power-production is based upon making bombs
FTFY
Dept. of war was repurposed at the dept. of energy. They had one aim and it was made perfectly clear when a statutory limit on nuclear accident liability was enacted.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:42pm PT
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Canada has better uranium deposits than the US - prices would have to triple, at least, to make the crap grades here worth it.
QFT (not that this will stop the chicken littles who just want to make Monuments for...well reasons)
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:44pm PT
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When I saw this sign in Blanding I lost my appetite to eat there.
They don't agree with my politics! WAAAA!
What's next, not dining with redheads?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 22, 2018 - 02:49pm PT
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Per the mentions of Monticello & Blanding upthread.
I got to know some of the folks at Four Corners School of Outdoor Education through a outdoor company I worked for, helping to support them.
Their Canyon Country Discovery Center is located 1.5 miles north of Monticello, Utah. Their 48-acre campus is a great place to stretch your legs and imagination with hands-on learning stations, programs, and exhibits. Take a walk along the campus trails for views of the high plateau and the Abajos Mountains. Explore their outdoor nature playscape and picnic pavilions, available at no cost for guests to enjoy as they travel through San Juan County Utah’s Canyon Country.
However the few conservationists that work for that fine school are surrounded by a small sea of rightwing LDS folks who mostly don't have much sympathy for the "conservationist agenda." I've shared beers with one school employee who confessed that the locals had not been friendly to him.
Likewise Blanding has the wonderful Edge of The Cedars Museum of Anasazi history and another bunch of rightwing LDS folks who likely don't have much sympathy for the "conservationist agenda."
Bluff, down on the San Juan, has some old hippies, who are a little more "my kind of people." Support Bluff!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 22, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
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What's next, not dining with redheads?
well, if I look at the redhead and lose my appetite then no, I will not be dining with her.
thanks for all the local input, going back in March, but not a climbing trip, although my son and I might do some scrambling to see some ruins.
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