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Ballo

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2018 - 04:18pm PT
Easily disgusted? You're more likely to be conservative, study claims

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/disgust-breeding-conservatism

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but excerpts demonstrate he had a physical revulsion to people he disagreed with. There has also been a series of monologues published called "Hitler's Table Talk" which also bear this out.

You might want to investigate further why you're losing your appetite just because you disagree with someone politically.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 22, 2018 - 04:18pm PT
My information is outdated, as well as yours.

Agreed. However, I doubt that we are disagreeing about the fundamentals, which are, as I see them:

1) The USA can no longer responsibly or reliably depend upon fossil fuels for the lion's share of its energy needs.

2) Environmental destruction must be minimized in our quest for responsible/reliable energy-production.

3) Responsible/reliable energy-production is one of the most significant (it could be argued to be the most significant) economic/national-security issue facing us in upcoming decades.

4) We are going to have to get serious about "the dream" in the near term to both meet our growing energy-demands and remain competitive economically, and "the dream" needs to not destroy the environment--if anything correcting existing destruction.

IMO, an important aspect of satisfying the above points is going to involve increased use of nuclear energy, but the old-style uranium reactors will need to give way to new technologies, such as LFTR (which, btw, we have demonstrated can work). Right now, the primary argument I've heard/read against revisiting LFTR technology is that it would be cost-prohibitive to replace our existing nuclear facilities with LFTR facilities. But such "con" analysis arguments have an interesting way of morphing into "pro" arguments with changing economic conditions.
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Jan 22, 2018 - 04:42pm PT
who just want to make Monuments for...well reasons

Yep, silly hippie reasons like cutting down on grave robbing, artifact looting and just plain driving brap braps through all of the above.
Ballo

Trad climber
Jan 22, 2018 - 05:50pm PT
Yep, silly hippie reasons like cutting down on grave robbing, artifact looting and just plain driving brap braps through all of the above.

Citation plz

Also, since when is grave robbing legal?
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Jan 22, 2018 - 06:26pm PT
The honorable James Redd and family

The Lying man

“The BLM closed the canyon trail to motorized use in 2007 after its agents said they found an illegally blazed trail and damage to Native American artifact sites.”

And to your rhetorical question, yep, robbing’s always been illegal, in civilized areas we have law enforcement to ensure people follow the rules. In rural areas we need feds bc the local enforcement tends to look the other way when it’s one of the good old boys doing the looting(see first link)
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Jan 26, 2018 - 07:48am PT
D-bag “locals know best” types destroying our shared resources?

There’s an app for that
donnski

Mountain climber
Nanoose Bay, BC
Jan 31, 2018 - 06:33pm PT
Bring in the Monkey Wrench Gang!
Ballo

Trad climber
Jan 31, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
There’s an app for that

But why the focus on Utah? Is conservation only an issue in Utah? Maybe someone would like to report the NPS next time they dump road debris into the woods.
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