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10b4me
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Retired
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Jan 20, 2018 - 11:15am PT
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Jan 20, 2018 - 11:23am PT
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So....remember the old days in RCdotCom? When You & Co made a sport of abusing others for nothing more than....well, being on the site and not in your clique, it seemed? I was on the receiving end of quite a bit of that, including actually having some of you go into my campsite when I was not there, and take pictures of me which you posted on the site and then made disparaging remarks over.
Did something happen that had you change your thinking, or was that "just a phase" you went through, or what?
Did you call the internet police?
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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Jan 20, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
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Ryankelly hurled a cinder block in his little glass house, karma is a bitch
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Bethesda
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Bethesda
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Jan 20, 2018 - 02:21pm PT
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The Mercury News story says there will be no or limited emergency response in National Parks during the shutdown.
On vous cherche . . . not.
Just like the good old days. John Muir's good old days.
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WBraun
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Jan 20, 2018 - 02:32pm PT
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You people are definitely insane ........
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aldude
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Monument Manor
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Jan 20, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
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Back to nature....perfect...no cops!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jan 20, 2018 - 05:55pm PT
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locker
climber
Jan 20, 2018 - 10:38am PT
This is NOT our "Normal" situation...
No matter how it's sliced...
ALL this bullsh!t is due to the ORANGE TURD...
and he is a REPUBLICAN...
That means ALL this bullsh!t lands on THEM< (Repubs)...
Just the way it is...
;-)
Ha. More fake news from the fakenewsman!.......
Did the orange guy tell YOU he is a REPUBLICKIN?
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Degaine
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Jan 21, 2018 - 01:28am PT
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Jody wrote:
This shutdown is ALL on the Dems.
Honest question, given the circumstances of this particular shutdown what is your reasoning behind your claim in the above statement?
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micronut
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Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jan 21, 2018 - 08:33am PT
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"Closed" is a somewhat arbitrary term in my opinion......
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Jan 21, 2018 - 08:51am PT
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Before the federal government shutdown at midnight Saturday, President Donald Trump privately vented frustrations that the political impasse would possibly keep him from attending a glitzy inauguration anniversary bash and fundraiser set for Saturday at his Florida getaway Mar-a-Lago.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 21, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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Who was responsible for the previous shutdown, or the one in '95?
Funny how people like democracy in all its messiness but whine like bitches when they can't go to the park. First world problems anyone?
Now the PRC is using this as an opportunity to chastise "Western Democracy" because they're butt hurt about the TPP not passing against the will of the people:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-state-media-us-government-shutdown-exposes-chronic-033125012.html
So there's your choice: totalitarianism or a squabble between representatives. I'll take my government shutdowns in stride thank you very much.
(and yes, ALL sides are to blame. F*#k your blind and emotional partisanship)
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Happiegrrrl2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 09:29am PT
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Actually, DMT, that is not the "technical reason."
I see you have quoted from a NYT article, here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/politics/government-shutdown.html so I will also add some text from that article.
First:
The final roll call, was 50 in favor and 49 against. Sixty votes are needed to end debate and move to a final vote. Five Democrats voted to end debate, while four Republicans voted with most of the Democrats to block the bill.
I don't know enough about the particulars in the Bill to make any judgement or statement on the contents; maybe others can do so. But we have a shut down, and considering that for the eight years the GOP stood against so many things the president and Democrats supported, seeming "just because they could," I don't have much sympathy for the the idea that the Democrats did similar. Especially when more Dems went "for" than Reps went "Against."
Secondly:
"obstructionist losers"
That seems a bizarre choice of words for a professional representative to use.
But What Even Matters Anymore?
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dirtbag
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Jan 21, 2018 - 09:48am PT
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Many months ago Trump ended protection for Dreamers. Why? Probably because of his impulsiveness, cruelty, ignorance, and racism.
Democrats warned they would not agree to a budget unless there was a dreamer deal.
Congress has dicked around with getting a deal for dreamers for months, even though everyone said they wanted one, including trump.
A couple of weeks ago, Trump said get a dreamer deal and I'll sign it.
Graham and Durbin presented a bipartisan deal.
Trump said FU, and FU shithole countries, giving into both his white nationlists impulses and the fascists who work for him.
No one really knows what the orange f*#k up wants, even republicans. (Wow, what a great deal maker.)
So, here we are. This is squarely on the orange f*#k up.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 21, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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It takes two to tango. It only takes one to sling mud.
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John M
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Jan 21, 2018 - 09:55am PT
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Sure its a fact Dingus.. but Terri's point was that this stems out of the Rights hardline approach all through Obama's time as President. Was it a good idea for the Dems to now go hardline? I doubt it. But its understandable. It is sad though, because the hardliners are winning right now and that could go on for awhile.
Edit: Reilly said it better.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 10:10am PT
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So...the Dems should have let the Dreamers be damned, it sounds like from your post, in order to not have the shutdown.
Why is it not also the fault of Reps, for refusing Dreamer issue?
So - heading to the park today, and will bring trash bags in case I see MOOP. My sister sent me a link to an AltUSNationalParkService post, where they will send a goodie via mail to people who post before/after cleanup pics during this shutdown.
I don't need a goodie, but the post reminded me - just because the dumpster isn't full doesn't mean I should put my stuff in there at this time. I will pack out anything I bring in. Also going to buy some xtra TP and will donate if I see outage in the cans.
https://www.facebook.com/AltUSNationalParkService/?hc_ref=ARQmx6Wz-LuobbLztKKS_hRE2_8A2ZdoEp1n9XpMi5ARtLfODz6yR6Wt41FIbKJOIsc&fref=nf
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John M
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:17am PT
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In Spiritually there is a saying.. Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall find Peace. The Koan is to understand how that is true, while at the same time it is also true that some times you do have to hold a hard line in the sand. Where discernment comes in is knowing when it is appropriate to hold a hard line and when it is appropriate to compromise.
The liberals compromised over health care by not voting in full socialized medicine, and what did it get them? Hatred from the right. Can someone point to me what the conservatives have compromised on in the last 20 years? I truly do not know. I haven't heard a reasonable conservative voice in quite some time, so I have no idea what they have done. The left is also mostly insane, but I still know a few reasonable voices from that side, so I can at least follow along.
At this point I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that as a country we are currently very lost.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:41am PT
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Not passing the stopgap spending bill meant the government shutdown. The Senate Democrats purposely continued their filibuster in an attempt to force the GOP to negotiate on the topic of dreamers. The GOP refused. The Senate Democrats basically said they would not stop the filibuster. The GOP couldn't force them and still refused to negotiate on the dreamers.
According to your own words, DMT, the Repugs refused to negotiate. Of course they did, because Trump undercut them when he refused to go along with the bipartisan compromise that the senators had negotiated in good faith, based upon Trumps' lie "that he would sign what they brought to him". So they did.
Why did he not sign it?
He supposedly agrees with it. Polls show that 80% of the populace agrees with it. The Repugs in the Senate and House agree with it?
Why?
Because he is not interested in national unity. He is interested in grinding his heel in the face of those not on his side. His anarchist advisers counseled him that to go back on his word would "f*#k up" the dems. The cost to the country is immaterial.
Keep that in mind when it comes around to extending the debt limit. Damage to the country is not an issue worthy of consideration.
As you say, fact.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 21, 2018 - 10:46am PT
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I am not wrong. I made no statements about dreamers, or walls on the mexican border, or the fitness of the GOP to govern; at all. I simply pointed out the Democrat Senate filibuster is the reason the government shut down.
No, the reason is that the GOP promised something, then when the Dems complied, they pulled the football out of the way. Now, you want the dems to toss the Dreamers overboard, so that the hardline GOP can do what it wanted all along....to deport them....and make it look like the Dems fault.
So now Trump says NO NEGOTIATION. Why?
Why would any public servant, facing a national crisis, fail to want to negotiate?
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