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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jan 19, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
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Jody stated:
When the Democrats were in the WH, they refused to release the reserves that each department had so the shutdown would be disruptive
the last shutdown was in 2013 when your Republicans controlled the House and thereby all government spending, your above statement makes no sense at all, prove it
prove it Jody, show your credible sources, prove you did not just make it up
also Jody, for the now 5th time request prove your statement that
"the Dems support and people and countries that support Sharia Law"
prove that you did not make that up out of the blue just because you are so stridently partisan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 19, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
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When was the last time you heard a Democrat get tough with talk against Sharia Law or countries that live by it?
Strike two.
Why can’t you simply admit you’re wrong instead of making yourself look like a dumbass?
Sheesh.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 19, 2018 - 07:42pm PT
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Quit embarrassing yourself Jody
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jan 19, 2018 - 09:56pm PT
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This statement:
When the Democrats were in the WH, they refused to release the reserves that each department had so the shutdown would be disruptive.
Which departments, what reserves and where is the evidence that the Whitehouse didn't allow "releasing" these reserves?
I followed the 2013 shutdown fairly closely. I don't recall the Obama admin not allowing "reserves" to be spent.
For sure there were proposed piecemeal bills (some even with the word "reserve" in their titles) that would have allowed funding, but, this wasn't for funds that had been kept in "reserve".
What departments, what funds are these, and, where is the documentation that the Whitehouse refused to allow their release (or even had the authority to do so)? There wasn't an executive order issued...
I'm reasonably handy at searching through government archives, etc, and, I just don't see any of this information. Do you have a source? Some reference?
Just curious...
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jan 19, 2018 - 10:06pm PT
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It is a messed up world when the TRUTH is labeled bullsh#t.
unfortunately jody, you can't handle the truth.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jan 19, 2018 - 10:20pm PT
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Go to a non NP climbing area, F the gov who cares.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 20, 2018 - 06:30am PT
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hey there say, happygrrrl...say, i was wondering about all this...
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 20, 2018 - 07:52am PT
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Norton,
I wasn't sure what Jody meant when he said "Democrats refused to release the reserves that each department had in the 2013 shutdown". I googled it and found this video.
Go to 1:00 minute mark to hear Mulvaney of OMB explaining how Democrats refused to use "carry forward funds" and "transfer authority" in 2013, which could have prevented many gov't functions from shutting down.
Also the 6:50 minute mark, 9:20 minute mark for more.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Bethesda
Trad climber
Bethesda
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Jan 20, 2018 - 08:17am PT
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I haven't looked at these issues for some time but my recollection from the last shutdown is that some of the maneuvers proposed by Mulvaney may be of dubious legality. Gov't officials have to tread very cautiously; the penalties for unauthorized expenditure of gov't funds can be draconian. At the federal agency I worked at then, we were told we would have to shut down and then my bosses got advice of counsel that we could use some left-over funds, so we didn't shut down. At my agency, every effort was made to stay open but no one wanted to risk illegality.
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ryankelly
climber
Bhumi
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Jan 20, 2018 - 08:30am PT
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and can you folks please keep the political bickering off SuperTopo. This is a climbing forum for all people. Show some respect to our community linked by love of climbing not the need to think the same on passing current events.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
The fake McCoy from nevernever land.
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Jan 20, 2018 - 09:09am PT
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Nps toilets may be closed but ours arent... no shitting in the woods yall...
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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Larry, your video source, understandably a liar because he is a WH spokesman, is wrong
since 2010 the Tea Party wave gave Republicans control of the House
as everyone knows except WH Republican spokesmen it is the House who constitutionally controls Federal Government spending, including the emergency funding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jan 20, 2018 - 09:27am PT
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Jody, your brave attempt at deflection did not work
when challenged to prove your statements were not lies, you failed
as others here have said, you are an embarrassment to your fellow "conservatives" by showing yourself not only uninformed but misinformed, very typical
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2018 - 10:08am PT
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and can you folks please keep the political bickering off SuperTopo. This is a climbing forum for all people. Show some respect to our community linked by love of climbing not the need to think the same on passing current events.
So....remember the old days in RCdotCom? When You & Co made a sport of abusing others for nothing more than....well, being on the site and not in your clique, it seemed? I was on the receiving end of quite a bit of that, including actually having some of you go into my campsite when I was not there, and take pictures of me which you posted on the site and then made disparaging remarks over.
Did something happen that had you change your thinking, or was that "just a phase" you went through, or what?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 20, 2018 - 10:22am PT
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Oh, boy, now we’re getting somewhere. Hope recess lasts long
enough for this to fully develope.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 20, 2018 - 10:25am PT
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I wasn't sure what Jody meant when he said "Democrats refused to release the reserves that each department had in the 2013 shutdown". I googled it and found this video.
Then please explain why the White House has gone to great pains to explain that employees in "essential" roles will be working----but not paid?
It appears that what gets shut down has nothing to do with budgets, reserves, or money issues, at the dept level.
So why do you pretend that it does, Larry?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 20, 2018 - 10:29am PT
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So in previous *government shutdowns*, keeping the parks open was an option all along?
Why would previous administrations have closed the parks when they could have been kept open, except to abuse the citizens?
Especially if they are going to end up paying all the employees *back wages* for the days they were off?
So Jody, I can see that I should have framed this in the form of a question:
Do you advocate that the parks are an "essential" form of gov't? More than disease monitoring, more than food inspection?
Do you advocate violating the law to get a result that is more politically appealing? Why are the parks open, Jody?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 20, 2018 - 10:34am PT
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It takes two to tango. How is either side more culpable?
This is the two party system’s greatest shortcoming.
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