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ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Mar 9, 2019 - 11:13am PT

Toe Jamb, who are you? What is your relationship to Tommy & Beth?

Thought we decided upthread she was Ranydy's ex-fiancée.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Mill Valley, Ca

Mar 9, 2019 - 11:18am PT

Thought we decided upthread she was Ranydy's ex-fiancée.

LOL. Certainly sounds like someone with some skin in the game, no pun intended.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 9, 2019 - 11:25am PT

Missed that, but it would show a lot more integrity on the part of Toe Jamb if they would own their very explicit, personal comments about Tommy and Beth.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Mar 9, 2019 - 03:50pm PT

I think I'm going to have to agree with you guys - no man would act like this - it could only be from a chick who lost at love to another woman. Beth's articles are probably filling in some missing pieces for her, hence the bizarre interest.

Here's a clip of Randy and Beth in Berkeley for ya Courtney!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

shipoopoi

Big Wall climber

oakland

Mar 10, 2019 - 12:55am PT

Tommy and beth have moved on in every way with happy families and everything. why don't you move on toe jamb and go troll elsewhere. u have no say here hiding behind an anonymous avatar. ss

Trump

climber

Mar 10, 2019 - 09:13am PT

Generally people do as well as they can.

Totally agree.

I’d say like around 86% of the time they do the best they can. But like 92% of their behaviors are controlled by deterministic processes, and only like 8% are left up to free will, so generally, yea, kind of the best they can do.

Like look, that person right there, their behaviors are the best they can do in order to just escape a desperate situation! What, are they just gonna die or continue to risk being killed in order to help their captors escape the desperate situation their captors are in? Or are they gonna murder their captors in order to escape the desperate situation that they are in? Probably they’re gonna do the best they can in the situation.

And by best I mean some unmeasurable arbitrary best that I made up in my mind and am always trying to figure out exactly what it is. Best like what best really means in reality, like what best has meant for the last 4 billion years, but translated and interpreted to the best of my awesome abilities, and then imposed by me on other people’s behavior.

Beth wrote some words about something important that affected her life.

Now we’re writing some words about Beth writing some words about something important that affected her life.

Me? I’m writing some words about you all writing your words about Beth writing her words about something that happened in her life, because my words are just so true I felt like I needed to share them with y’all. Maybe you’ll hit me up with a few bucks to my gofundme if I can do my best at being likeable enough.

Or maybe there’s a crazily more complicated string of determinants at work, and we’re just doing the best we can to express the interaction of those determinants when we write our words about the words that someone else wrote about the words that someone else wrote about things that actually happened in their lives.

Maybe it’s more like 9% free will, and the best we can do with that is to say we do the best we can do. Or maybe the best we can do is to say that we can do better.

Who knows? Generally, I think saying that we know even when we don’t know is the best we can do.

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

Best to y’all!

wheatBeer

Social climber

TheBronx

Mar 10, 2019 - 02:14pm PT

This is why ST sux.

What a car crash and a bunch of rubberneckers. Everyone from anonymous trolls to climbing superheroes cant keep from adding to the BS.

Sad state of affairs.

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Mar 10, 2019 - 06:46pm PT

Eh, hell of a lot more interesting than a bunch of boomers navel gazing about the meaning of “mind”, retreading their favorite ‘70s rock or the tinfoil hat brigade.

Honestly, a lot closer to the online version of Degnan’s that this site started as, instead of the “campfire” that the late arriving dustfarters try to claim.

#makesupertoposlanderousagain

WBraun

climber

Mar 10, 2019 - 07:04pm PT

closer to the online version of Degnan’s that this site started as,
instead of the “campfire” that the late arriving dustfarters try to claim.

LOL sure was some crazy sh!t being said and done at the deli back in those daze.

"Campfire" ... blech, I'd puke if I had to engage in that horsesh!t ....

Bad Climber

Trad climber

The Lawless Border Regions

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 10, 2019 - 08:26pm PT

Just reread the piece. Without going into gruesome detail--which is understandable and appropriate--she covers the bases and admits to her role in the break up. My initial response stands. A worthwhile read.

BAd

Toe Jamb

Trad climber

Mar 11, 2019 - 10:33am PT

After reading Beth’s article I went back and re-read Tommy’s book “The Push” plus several of Beth’s own articles. Let’s just say I may have a different opinion of her than others and I fully accept others opinions including JLP. As far as having any special knowledge, note that in most cases I gave the document reference. For example the incident where Beth would not even let Tommy kiss her after completing her Meltdown assent on Valentine’s Day was written by Tommy Caldwell himself in his book Chapter 17 page 169. As far as what happened on their South Africa vacation (where Beth tells her husband she misses her boyfriend and considered Tommy a total stranger when he tried to sit next to her during breakfast) was again written by Tommy in his book Chapter 19 page 175 and by Beth in her sugar packet Facebook post. Considering that both Tommy and Beth continue to write about this I think it is far game to comment on what they have written. As I have said previously, I fully understand that relationships do not always work out but in this case for Beth to be so rude and insensitive to Tommy for well over a year to me was rather ungrateful and regrettable considering that Tommy saved her life, spent years helping her recover from Kyrgyzstan, was responsible for helping her achieve all her famous climbs, married her at her insistence, and spent a year building their house in Yosemite again at her insistence. The real coup de grace of Beth’s insensitive and disregard for Tommy’s feelings came when after FINALLY telling Tommy in October 2008 of her affair with Randy she begs Tommy to stay married to her but she insists that she wants to continue dating Randy (see The Push Chapter 19 page 177). So Beth’s plan is to live with Tommy (separate bedrooms of course) during the week and then drive into Berkeley on the weekends to drive around in Randy’s fancy black Audi, go out to nice dinners, spend the night having sex with him, then drive back to Yosemite the next day. Sounds to me like she only cared about using Tommy to continue and support her climbing career and to be able to suck money out of her sponsors. I am glad that Tommy did not go for it which enabled him to meet and marry Becca who I think became a much better wife than Beth ever could have been. And the best part of the book (Chapter 36 page 328) is when Tommy says “I even feel lucky that Beth left me,….”.

capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Mar 11, 2019 - 10:39am PT

Geeze, and I thought I was bored.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 11, 2019 - 10:40am PT

Toe Jamb, your persistent postings containing very intimate descriptions of another person's relationships, made without being forthcoming about your identity, are very annoying, if not downright slimy.

IMO, if you think you are somehow 'outing' Beth by making these kinds of posts, the only person you are 'outing' is your own lack of integrity.

JLP

Social climber

The internet

Mar 11, 2019 - 10:43am PT

Toe Jamb is most definitely Courtney.

I have to admit - after a minute or two of Google-Stalking - Beth kinda sorta looks like Courtney too - except Beth is blonde and maybe a little cuter!

Trashman

Trad climber

SLC

Mar 11, 2019 - 11:20am PT

See, it’s the digital deli. Almost as good as listening to Way critique the style of parties on the Cap!
Admittedly the OE was better than the tea I’m drinking as I read this, but we all get older. Carry on.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Mar 11, 2019 - 11:34am PT

Geeze, and I thought I was bored.

This is why I never want any books/movies written about me! Brings out the stalkers... I can only hope TJ is someone actually involved with the situation and just PO'd. The alternative is super-creepy if it's a stranger....

Alexey

climber

San Jose, CA

Mar 11, 2019 - 01:27pm PT

Toe Jamb, you have all rights to post your side of the story of double betrayal on the thread where ST pack praising Beth for her side of the story. Even mean clown JLP managed to guess who you are. Actually, you already wrote a few good paragraphs where one can see that your pain is still with you and sin of betrayal is hardest to forgive

couchmaster

climber

Mar 11, 2019 - 05:55pm PT

Toe Jamb, I'm sorry for the pain you are feeling. It's real, and it's not slimy and it's not funny. I don't know you, have never met you, but I can sense the pain you must be carrying. I wish anything or something I had or could do would fix it. I'll give you a virtual hug and wish you the very best in your life. Please don't be distraught. It gets better. Really. The sun will come out again. The flowers will bloom. Life will have sweetness again. Please know that we all feel the weight of the human condition at times, sometimes it's almost too much, and it's OK. It's OK to cry. It's OK to laugh. And it's OK to love again. Thank you for laying some facts out there for us who know so little about so much. You do have a voice, and that voice was heard loud and clear, even if some people get confused and have no understanding. Thank you for sharing the rest of the story.

They say the best revenge is to have a great life. I wish I had better words. But it fails me at times and I apologize for that. Be well, live long, and prosper and may you have a long fantastic life.

xo