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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Unfortunately, they don't need to be accurate or precise. All they need is to lob as much sh#t as possible in a swath from Guri through Seoul to Incheon and South Korea will be thrown into ruin and a decades-long economic dark ages on top of suffering a massive loss of life.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Diversion tactics?
Of course. Are you not entertained?
NK serves as an outlet for both China and the US to play with our war machines paid for with proceeds stolen from the populace's efforts.
If China wanted him dead, he'd be dead. These evil cartoonish puppets always serve as a distraction.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nothing about this is a 'diversion' and life doesn't always fit nicely into the conspiracy of the moment. I know dear leader is actually a third generation CIA plant and we're about to run a false flag war killing about a 100k people so walmart can keep their employees on food stamps. Got it...
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dirtbag
climber
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It's always enlightening to hear from the tin foil hat/Alex Jones/trump crowd.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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You need to understand that these regimes present a story about helping people.
So they can't just kill a person for violation of a phone calls rule.
This person need to commit "real" offense like helping defectors or sharing sensitive defence information or spreading lies about "beautiful Korean life".
What rock have you been hiding under? They can and will kill a person, just because they are related to Un. They don't even need to be in the country. Making up a story afterwards is the job of the propaganda dept, and is NOT a requirement prior to execution.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Boogeymen are used by every government... without them you'd quickly realize the people on the other side of the imaginary lines on a map are pretty much just like you.
Or do you believe these boogeymen, who now magically have unfettered access to the internet and media(on an isolated small peninsula), are simply too wily to kill or neuter? They also magically acquire the materials and means to produce longer range missles...
China gets a buffer and simply has to care and feed the fat little crazy man enough to keep him alive. Perfect theater.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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What's going on in Pakistan and India?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Healyje: Unfortunately, they don't need to be accurate or precise.
I’m sorry, I thought that I had made that implication. Thanks for clearing it up for readers. It should give them a insight into the kind of aggression that NK would be undertaking, although I doubt it would lead to a decades long period of “dark ages” in South Korea. It don’t believe it did in Japan or in Germany when parts of their countries were decimated from WWII. It would certainly make history.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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India is our proper geopolitical partner. In the 1960's India got mad at us for sailing a nuclear carrier in the Indian Ocean: their pond. India has a good Navy. They have been nursing that bitter ever since. We sided with Pakistan partly because Pakistan's terrain offers a better spying corridor into Russia and to counter Russia's ill advised move into Afghanistan in the 1980's and more recently to help on the Afghanistan problem that we now have. However, with things heating up over Chinese issues for both the US and India, the Indians have decided to get over the carrier incident and start working together. Good move. Hindu majority India is at least a functioning Democracy. The caste system is the shitty leg but otherwise they are closer to American ideals than Pakistan who as a Muslim nation oppresses the women: half the population. They are not the future. The one war between India and China ended with India getting stuffed. The Indians have not forgotten. China is now working with Pakistan on the silk road project and giving both the Indians and the US a cold shoulder. The Chinese annex of Tibet is no small matter but it is done and the Chinese are moving forward. At some point countries like India have to push back or lose. This will manifest in Kashmir and the Bhutan zone. Deep breath. Think it over. You are the president: What would you do?
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okie
Trad climber
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MikeL, my Dad was an artillery guy there in the fifties. Hard to believe this sh#t is still going on. I had to come by all my outdoor skills on my own because after Korea my Dad never wanted to camp out again in his life.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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An estimated 3 million Koreans and a million Chinese died in the last Korean War, mostly due to our carpet bombing and razing the country. We lost about 36,000 men.
But some folks think its time to do it all over again, but this time with nuclear weapons and ICBMs involved.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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An estimated 3 million Koreans and a million Chinese died in the last Korean War, mostly due to our carpet bombing and razing the country. We lost about 36,000 men
Including my uncle.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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One other solution is South Korea could just surrender and go Communist and hope for the best. We simply walk away and sail home. Nobody gets hurt. Vietnam fell to that. How are they now? They would be the model. They seem OK. If the Koreans chose this, the North would still be there with more money and increased confidence. Korea in that form would possibly want revenge on Japan. China probably wants that. Does Japan just give it up too? They are the third biggest economy in the world. Where do you draw the line? When countries like NK have political leaders who openly state they want to blow you up and wipe you away and spend all their money building weapons to do just that, it is OK to consider a response. The North Koreans don't have to say these things . NK could give it up. Why don't they just surrender to the West. Kim loves basketball. Where is the balance?
A potential strategy could be to evacuate Northern South Korea then launch a smaller war now rather than fight a bigger one later after the North has perfected their nuclear attack skills. Drive to the capital of the North: Pyongyang and stop there. China and Russia would probably just watch nervously like we did when China took Tibet and Russia claimed Crimea. The risk is Kim would use a nuclear weapon in theater. If he did it would be there in Korea. It seems like he would. If he doesn't then he loses a conventional war.
The new North Korea can be smaller and disarmed. The buffer for China could still be there and Seoul is not living under such a threat by the North.
The other choice is status quo. Keep kicking the can. This is the most likely. I am not advocating any particular avenue. I don't know the answers and nobody else does either. It comes down to political leaders making choices and with Trump driving our boat I am as nervous as everybody else. I am all ears as to what you people think out there.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The risk is Kim would use a nuclear weapon in theater.
No risk there. Every possible launch site is already redundantly targeted and his POS missiles aren't exactly rapid-fire. Any sign of pre-launch activity and the cruise missiles will rain.
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dirtbag
climber
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Everything I've read says just the opposite: the nukes are mobile and therefore, difficult to target.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Why doesn't South Korea send in their own "Seal Team 6" to take him out? I don't think it would that hard to infiltrate his inner circle, if you are Korean.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Speaking of Dennis "The Worm" Rodman.
Sick stuff
Trump to Putin: 'It's an honor to be with you'
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Okie,
I couldn’t help but laugh out loud when I read your post. I understand.
I’ve lived in Canada, Minnesota, and Wisconsin for maybe 10-15 years, but I’ve never been as cold as I was in Korea. When I was there, there were no trees from the DMZ to Seoul. The winters were brutal. So were the battles, I hear, during the war.
As a minor aside, when I first got there as a young 2nd Lt., I noticed that the Turk compounds were barely manned with security personnel (south Koreans who would walk the fences and man the entry check points). The “slickee boys” were south Koreans who would steal into compounds and steal anything and everything. We were there to fight (ha-ha), so the U.S. used Korean contractors for security. I was told that the Turks made it clear that they wouldn’t put up with thieves. They caught one and hung him and let him rot like that for a week for all to see.
Well!! After that their barbed wire fence consisted of one strand of barbed wire.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Reilly, I'm thinking they would just have a nuclear bomb in a basement in the capital waiting for the occupying force to settle in. Then a couple suicide technicians could detonate the rig.
10b, that is a bummer about your uncle. All this stuff is tough. Most people don't want to think about any of it. It is real though.
I think our role as super topo arm chair posters is to hash it out no hard feelings. Maybe an original idea will appear.
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