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10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 13, 2017 - 11:49am PT
Goddammit. You guys have put me in the position of defending Donald Trump, of all people. Why must I do it? Because the volume of the hate against this guy has become irrational. You all need a reality check. I mean damn, there are people here who actually believe that Jong-Il and Trump are cut from the same cloth. This is nuts.

Kris, they are both liars, they are both narcissists, and they both have questionable financial dealings.



Ummm… He’s arresting innocent people? Please elaborate.

Kris, he is detainng brown people because they are brown. Now the requisite response is that they crossed the border illegally, I grant you that, but trump hires illegals all the time. Why is that ok?


Pretty much every one I can remember. President Obama, for example, never stopped campaigning after he was elected. Don’t get me wrong, raising huge amounts of money and whipping up support is American politics today. But you’re wearing rose colored glasses if you think your question deserves an answer.

umm Kris, you just did answer it.

We have an un-elected agency with the power to make law and levee punishment.

created by a republican president; and we also have other government agencies that can do that, think Treasury dept.

Do you seriously think that Trump wishes for the days of smog alerts and Love Canal because he wants to reel in 40 years of over-reach?

if it benefits him financially, you can be sure he will do it.


that white supremacists are his base is wrong.

did you hear what david duke said?
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Aug 13, 2017 - 11:50am PT
From My Periscope

Oddly I saw green algae
Growing from the railing
Of the observation deck
In orbit around earth sailing
On the International Space Station
No texts, twitter, or emailing
As I watch from my periscope
With simplicity availing
Way down here on earth
Under airliners contrail-ing
My tootsies remain sore from hiking
While society is failing

The books all sit unread
On shelves within the holds
Of the alt-right millennials
And discussions remain too bold
For the x-generation parents
We so often are told
As baby boomers feign disinterest
And conversations go cold
When greatest generation survivors
On both sides would be so bold
To say two words of criticism
To the progeny of their fold

Lacy angelica
And wild flowers of many hues
Lined the mountain path
As the chopper droned the blues
While I spied through my periscope
The disconcerting news
Of spot-fires on a ridge top
While mother nature paid her dues
Lightning strikes in many places
And people take their queues
From fringe elements among us
In every size of shoes

And there sits the fool on the hill
Besieged from every side
Who'd precipitate world war three
When there's nowhere left to hide
His frontmen and his handlers
Who've sold us out and lied
I see them through my periscope
The view from here is wide
With those big bands on the radio
When last all nations did collide
I wonder what my great uncle thought
At Normandy before he died

-bushman
08/13/2017
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Aug 13, 2017 - 11:57am PT

For North Korea, a Return to Sender Missile Tech System would be useful as a deterrent.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 13, 2017 - 01:20pm PT
^^^ I like the way you think...

Steve,

You say they are both liars, narcissists, and have questionable financial dealings. I’d say that that’s par for the course for pretty much every head of state. But, between Trump and Jong-Un, only one of them is a ruthless, tyrannical monster who murders anyone he chooses to on a whim. And his inventiveness concerning the means of execution belies the perverse pleasure he takes in it. I see there’s a pretty strong “Trump would if he could… the bodies would be piling up like cordwood…” sentiment out there. I think that sort of conjecture is over the top to say the least.

Anyway, regarding the other stuff, I’d enjoy a level-headed discussion over a beer. I think we’ll find we have a lot more common ground than not. But a forum like this is a difficult place for those sorts of nuanced exchanges of ideas.

Cheers...
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 13, 2017 - 01:27pm PT
"But a forum like this is a difficult place for those sorts of nuanced exchanges of ideas."

I agree with this Kris. We turn up the contrast to make a point, but there are spaces in between.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Aug 13, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
I'm only glad it's Kim Jong Un we're facing down and not Daenerys Targaryen.
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanitty
Aug 14, 2017 - 01:17pm PT
Things are cooling down, not because of either of the two madmens' rhetoric, but cooler heads prevail.

I read with amusement the armchair warriors on this thread who espouse things like, "we can waste them in a minute" and such. Probably no doubt, but at what cost, in the long run? And these lot present us with all kinds of scenarios, and some say that the Pentagon has even thought of them. I am sure the generals and admirals have. But will Donald listen? We know Kim won't.

I have zilch military experience. But what I do recognize is that this can be a precarious affair. What the world needs are people who can rein in the trigger (twitter?) happy headcases who can make this a make or break scenario.

You know the two I refer to.

This will all blow over. Hopefully not in a BOOM!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 14, 2017 - 01:34pm PT
little Z is correct. At least there are no dragons, and a queen prepared to use them.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Aug 14, 2017 - 01:40pm PT
But what I do recognize is that this can be a precarious affair. What the world needs are people who can rein in the trigger (twitter?) happy headcases who can make this a make or break scenario.

I think we're all being played, all around.

"More Korea, less Russia!"

I think that is one thing both Kim and President Trump could agree on. Convenient, eh tail-wags-dog? The various news companies are making money on the hysteria.

And us fickle public participants, they don't even bother to tell us things have cooled off. By the very fact we're not watching CNN or Fox right now, on this topic, is all the cooling down notice we require.

I think it was and is, all hot air. If you're worried about Korean nukes then you're a pretty care free person, imo.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 14, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Aug 25, 2017 - 02:11pm PT
Excerpt below from:
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/25/north-korea-keeps-saying-it-might-give-up-its-nuclear-weapons-but-most-news-outlets-wont-tell-you-that/

North Korea Keeps Saying It Might Give Up Its Nuclear Weapons — But Most News Outlets Won’t Tell You That

...here’s what you don’t know, unless you’re an obsessive North Korea-watcher:

Also starting on July 4, North Korea has been saying over and over again that it might put its nuclear weapons and missiles on the negotiating table if the United States would end its own threatening posture.

This fact has been completely obscured by U.S. and other western media. For the most part, newspapers and television have simply ignored North Korea’s position. When they haven’t ignored it, they’ve usually mispresented it as its opposite – i.e., claiming that North Korea is saying that it will never surrender its nuclear weapons under any circumstances. And on the rare occasions when North Korea’s statements are mentioned accurately, they’re never given the prominence they deserve.

North Korea’s proclamations have been closely tracked by Robert Carlin, currently a visiting scholar at Stanford University’s Center for International Security and Cooperation and formerly head of the Northeast Asia Division in the State Department’s intelligence arm. Carlin has visited North Korea over 30 times.

Via email, Carlin described how it is difficult but critical to accurately decode North Korean communications. “Observers dismiss as unimportant what the North Koreans say,” Carlin writes, and “therefore don’t read it carefully, except of course if it is colorful, fiery language that makes for lovely headlines. Some of what the North says is simply propaganda and can be read with one eye closed. Other things are written and edited very carefully, and need to be read very carefully. And then, having been read, they need to be compared with past statements, and put in context.”

With that in mind, here’s Kim Jong-un’s statement on July 4:

[T]he DPRK would neither put its nukes and ballistic rockets on the table of negotiations in any case nor flinch even an inch from the road of bolstering the nuclear force chosen by itself unless the U.S. hostile policy and nuclear threat to the DPRK are definitely terminated. [emphasis added]

That formulation again appeared in an August 7 government statement after the United Nations Security Council passed new sanctions on North Korea. The same day, North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho also said it during a speech at the Association of Southeast Asian Nations regional forum in the Philippines.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 25, 2017 - 02:18pm PT
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!

If the above were true, that would be great news. Still, is that crazy Korean guy's dick really THAT small?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Aug 25, 2017 - 10:14pm PT
PTPP... If his missile launches are any indicator i'd say he's got a ways to go in making it into the mens club...
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Oct 10, 2017 - 09:03am PT
I ran across this National Geographic video yesterday. What a bizarre contrast between the extreme luxury of this largely empty resort and what ordinary North Koreans have to deal with every day!

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 10, 2017 - 09:17am PT
If yer in the in group N Korea can be bitchin’!

Credit: Reilly

Special Report: In Kim Jong Un's summer palace, fun meets guns
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-tourism-wonsan-specialrepo/special-report-in-kim-jong-uns-summer-palace-fun-meets-guns-idUSKBN1CF16E
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Oct 10, 2017 - 12:28pm PT
This guy Trump intends to be a man of history.
He's going to do it - he's going to drop the bomb -
he's going to use nukes to get his way.

I can't believe it's come to this - that I'm
actually inclined to bet this way at this point
over the alternative.

Even a 10% chance is scary as fuk.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 10, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
"Trump" doesn't do anything he's not told to do as there are things and people he holds dear.

Let's get that clear.

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