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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Sep 19, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
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I have lived abroad for many years, but It stuns me that so many of my fellow Americans voted for this guy.
What were you thinking?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 19, 2017 - 07:01pm PT
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For someone that owns a few golf courses , he sure has an ugly swing...Hack...
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 20, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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Brainwashed Dirtbag still thinks Oswald was the shooter because he was told it was him.
When puppets tell the politards what to think the politards come running like moths to the flames .....
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 20, 2017 - 09:54pm PT
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Brainwashed Dirtbag still thinks Oswald was the shooter because he was told it was him.
When puppets tell the politards what to think the politards come running like moths to the flames .....
Oh ok, moonbeam.
Gud one locker.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 21, 2017 - 09:15am PT
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My kids have been into Weird Al lately and this song reminds me of NWO and WVB
Oh, by the way, I've cracked the code
I've figured out these shadow organizations
And the Illuminati know
That they're finally primed for world domination
And soon you've got black helicopters comin' cross the border
Puppet masters for the New World Order
Be aware: there's always someone that's watching you
And still the government won't admit they faked the whole moon landing
Thought control rays, psychotronic scanning
Don't mind that, I'm protected cause I made this hat
From aluminum foil (foil)
Wear a hat that’s foil lined
In case an alien's inclined
To probe your butt or read your mind
Looks a bit peculiar ('culiar)
Seems a little crazy
But someday I'll prove (I'll prove, I'll prove, I'll prove)
There's a big conspiracy
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 10:08am PT
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Back to the thread title for a moment...
Apparently, we still haven't moved beyond healthcare.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
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well the world needs ditch diggers danny
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Sep 21, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
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^^^
does not understand that the US and China are two different countries
but gallantly carries on, trying to find conspiracies under any rock
where have all the flowers gone....lead poisoning?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Sep 22, 2017 - 03:06pm PT
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McCain has come a long way toward rehabilitating himself...
Facing imminent death has that effect on some people. While he suffered BITD when a POW, he probably stayed sane with the belief he would live to see freedom. But yeah, when you know you will be "deplaning(plane of existence) soon, it can make the petty things(such as partisan bullsh#t, corporate lobbyists, making laws that "tell people" one thing when in reality their intent is altogether something different) annoying, or even unbearable.
I think McCain was always a fairly decent human being, but am glad he isn't going out with a whimper.
And I would bet that Trump's making fun of him plays a small role in his decisions to go against the party grain, if any role.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2017 - 05:04pm PT
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I'm not sure what to think about this one:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/22/552961170/ruling-finds-solar-panels-from-china-hurt-u-s-maker
One the one hand, it will make solar manufacturers in the U.S. a little more likely to try actually manufacturing stuff here. On the other hand, it is completely unsustainable and will cut off U.S. consumers from getting the best and most cost-effective of what is produced in the world.
Edit1: And, it will kill all the service industry-related jobs when consumers decide not to buy a more expensive solution using domestic manufactured solar panels. People accept high prices for installation services because that can't be outsourced. But manufactured items, people are accustomed to dropping prices.
Edit2: And, this problem now, if anything, is a sign that the U.S.A. was too late to invest in R&D to make lower cost solar technologies, and instead of recognizing the mistake, is looking to double-down on it and screw ourselves even more in the future by dis-investment and market protectionist strategies.
If the case was about human rights violations or environmental regulations that don't exist or are not enforced in China, I would be on board with that. But just whining that other countries can make something cheaper is not a reason to block them. That is sticking a finger in the cracking dam and standing below it.
I think the only reasonable path forward for humanity is large-scale international trade agreements that mandate baseline levels of human rights and environmental regulations. The idea is to remove the arbitrage/shell-game that corporations can play by shifting around labor pools and facilities and profit declarations to maximize profits at the expense of societies and our shared environment.
The good bi-product of doing it this way, is we no longer need artificial protections against cheaper imports because stuff will have similar prices to produce around the world if similar labor and environmental laws are actually enforced. And, imports should on average be more expensive then because of the added cost of transport.
I think this is what the Trans-Pacific Partnership was trying to do... but it had some ugly stuff in it about international commercial interests overruling domestic environmental issues, as a result of compromises to get everyone to sign on to it. Maybe there are some parallels there to Obamacare, where one group accepted the ugly intermediate state to lock in progress toward the desired end state (e.g. like mandating that people sign up with for-profit insurance companies ensuring a captive market), while others were holding out directly for the perfect end state (e.g. single payer healthcare).
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 22, 2017 - 08:04pm PT
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I think McCain was always a fairly decent human being...
Ummm.. "was".. maybe. "Is"... No.. just no.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 22, 2017 - 08:31pm PT
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^^^ that's an interesting one...
In principle I like the idea of protecting the sanctity of the defense process to protect civilians from government abuses of power. Searches without warrant are a no-brainer for that principle. I'm not so sure in this case. If it is about her word being doubted because she has a drug problem, that is a gray area. If she is willful about certifying results she did not verify in a long term systematic way, and the prosecutors hide that fact after they discover it... yep, that is pretty damning. It shows more concern for racking up the government win than for the due process rights of citizens.
The process must have a higher sanctity than the facts of innocence or guilt in any case. Allowing this to slide because it keeps thousands of guilty people behind bars (which seems like a good thing) would send a clear signal that government abuse of citizens' rights is acceptable. Scary.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 23, 2017 - 09:05pm PT
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Meanwhile , in Alabama , President Trump is campaigning for Luther Strange...How appropriate...
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