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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 16, 2017 - 01:22pm PT
Hate speech, racial slurs and homophobic chants are Not Protected under the first amendment....
so you Nazi apologists can suck on it

What the right wing freaks did was not protected free speech, they were breaking the law.


Some racist, homophobic chants in Charlottesville may not be protected under 1st Amendment

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/15/16144058/charlottesville-free-speech

There is no question that Americans have the right to express racist, offensive, unpopular views under the First Amendment — it's a right that has been repeatedly upheld by the US Supreme Court. But the right-wing demonstrators in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend may have gone too far when they began chanting racial and homophobic slurs to specific people.

It’s a gray area of constitutional law, but several experts said this week that the white supremacists may have crossed a line into what is known as unprotected speech.

In 1942, the Supreme Court ruled that "fighting words" are not protected under the First Amendment. The Court defines fighting words as "those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace."
Norton

Social climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 01:55pm PT
ah yes, the grand old "both sides are the same, they both do it"

commonly called a False Equivalence

Charleston - which "side" decided to hold their event, their rally"

which side chose to show up in helmets, torches, and firearms?

yes but, because some on the other "side" reacted to what they started with their in your face racism...not by showing up with guns and hate....not by driving a car into a crowd and killing someone, as had been learned how to do from watching a video

therefore, both sides do it...they are "all the same" - anyone else tired of that BS
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
anyone else tired of that BS

Yes, it is dishonest.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
*According to an executive who was involved in today's decision to disband President Trump's top outside business board, the CEOs decided they "couldn't justify the capital they were spending, hoping that this guy can function in a somewhat mature and statesmanlike way."


The executive told me: "Everyone knew, going in, that this was the way the guy was. They were just hoping that if he got the right people and decisionmaking processes in place, he could grow into the job. He proved he has no capability to do that." Yesterday's presser about Charlottesville was the last straw.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:17pm PT
Here is how this delusional both sides are the same works...

Gandhi was exactly the same as Hitler, just the other side of the coin!
Jesus and Satan, the same, right??

America was really fighting itself when we entered WWII, fighting Hitler is exactly the same as being Hitler!!!!

Trump = Jesus, just the other side of the coin, both extremists wanting totalitarian rule over other people's lives...., right??

It's total Bullshit that gives the Right wingers a false belief that they are OK because the other side is just the same
It's a way to justify their vile beliefs and opinions, it's psychological cover for being a right wing hater.

They just can't deal with the idea that they are on the same side as Hitler, Stalin, Putin, and every other evil. So they demonize the other side with lies to bring them down to their level.

If there is evil, there is a side that has to fight evil, that side is called the left/liberals/progressives/moderates/intellectuals (not leftists)
since the rightwing instigate evil, the left are the only ones left to stop evil.
Norton

Social climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
he white supremacists did not blink at violently plowing right through clergy, all of us dressed in full clerical garb. White supremacy is violence. I didn’t see any racial justice protesters with weapons; as for antifa, anything they brought I would only categorize as community defense tools and nothing more. Pretty much everyone I talk to agrees—including most clergy. My strong stance is that the weapon is and was white supremacy, and the white supremacists intentionally brought weapons to instigate violence.

a priest at the hate rally
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html
Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanitty
Aug 16, 2017 - 02:44pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbj9fasGbxk
Norton

Social climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 03:08pm PT
Justin Moore, the grand dragon for the Loyal White Knights of the KKK in Pelham, said he’s “sorta glad” a car rammed into a crowd of counterprotesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer. James Alex Fields Jr., 20, has been charged with second-degree murder in the attack.

“I’m sorta glad that them people got hit and I’m glad that girl died,” Moore told CBS affiliate WBTV on Tuesday.

But both sides are equal, they both do it, those anti KKK protestors were glad the girl got killed too

dirtbag

climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
^^^fine people^^^
WBraun

climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 03:23pm PT
Politards are evil.

You stoopid politards cause all the problems.

The whole planet was peaceful at one time and then you nutcase politards came and turned everything to sh!t ....
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 16, 2017 - 03:43pm PT
Dear folks at ST. I kept hearing the news folks talk about Odinists at the Charlotteville Riots as another of the Racist groups participating, but I confess to knowing little about Odinist Racists.

I finally got around to some research on the subjet:

In Nov. 2015, three Virginia men were charged with plotting to attack and bomb black churches and Jewish synagogues, reportedly with the goal of triggering a “race war” in the United States. Suspects Ronald Chaney and Robert Doyle, who FBI officials say were also plotting to kill a local jewelry dealer and rob an armored car, were outspoken white supremacists, bound by a common desire enact violence against Jews and African Americans.
But documents show that the two men, and possibly accomplice Charles Halderman, also share something else: A common, peculiar faith.

“Doyle and Chaney, and others known and unknown to the FBI, ascribe to a white supremacy extremist version of the Asatru faith,” read the FBI’s report.

Traditionally, most American white supremacists claim to be Christians — hence the Ku Klux Klan, which uses a burning cross as its symbol, and the Phineas Priesthood, a group that preaches an anti-immigrant message and whose members attempted to burn down the Mexican Consulate in 2015 in the name of Jesus.

But like Doyle and Chaney, a number of white supremacists are abandoning Christianity for a very different religion: Odinism, sometimes called Asatru, Vanuatrú, or Dísitrú. The faith, which has several different strains, is a modern expression of an ancient, polytheistic Nordic belief system that reveres a slew of gods such as Thor. Most of its U.S. adherents, many of whom self-identify as “heathens”, are nonviolent and inclusive, more concerned with preaching virtues than calling for a race war. Norse paganism, once the religion of Vikings, is currently undergoing a revival among young residents of Iceland, where it is recognized as a state religion.

Yet an unsettlingly virulent strain of Odinism has coalesced in the United States over the past few decades, attracting white supremacists who see it as more purely “white” than Christianity.

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, explained that many join the fledging faith as a way of criticizing Christianity.
“From white supremacist point of view, they embrace these neopagan religions because they see them as antithetical to Christianity and Judaism,” he told ThinkProgress. “They say, ‘What did the Jews and Christians do? They made these religions about turning the other cheek and caring for the poor.’ They see Christianity as a feminized, weak, self-destructive theology created by Jews and forced on white people who were by nature supposedly very different.”

Indeed, as CNN reported in 2014, similar ideas were spouted by Frazier Glenn Cross, the man who shot and killed three people outside Jewish organizations that year. Although Cross was once a leader of the KKK, his online manifesto professed a firm belief in Odinism, which he reportedly converted to before his rampage.

Odinism! This was the religion for a strong heroic people, the Germanic people, from whose loins we all descended, be we German, English, Scott, Irish, or Scandinavian, in whole or in part,” Cross wrote. “Odin! Odin! Odin! Was the battle cry of our ancestors; their light eyes ablaze with the glare of the predator, as they swept over and conquered the decadent multi-racial Roman Empire. And Valhalla does not accept Negroes. There’s a sign over the pearly gates there which reads, ‘Whites only.’”

Like many right-wing Odinists, Cross explained that his opposition to Christianity is rooted in the idea that it was a “trick” invented by Jews to “enslave” the white masses.

“Christianity is the second biggest trick the Jews ever played on us. The biggest was legalized abortion!” he wrote.

Other racists enjoy Odinism’s ties to Nazi Germany, where it was reportedly inculcated into the Third Reich’s cultural theology of white supremacy.

https://thinkprogress.org/the-new-religion-of-choice-for-white-supremacists-8af2a69a3440/
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Aug 16, 2017 - 05:52pm PT
Great. That's all we need, another gang of religious f*ckwads using some imaginary BS to justify their psychosis. Gah! I believe in X, therefore it's okay for me to have a half-dozen teenage girls for my sister-wives, or attack Jews/blacks/whatever. Gah.

BAd
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Aug 16, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
Odin?! But Odin doesn't like Nazi's. Haven't you ever seen Kung Fury??

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 16, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
Craig, that was interesting post. i think you may be scratching at the surface. BUT, Jesus did say that Gods government could not be materialized on Earth! So, with that in mind, there isn't ever gunna be a human that justifiably rules other humans! PERIOD. i scoff at every human that requires revenge. Especially those who call for a death sentence! Materially or even verbally. "Murder" roots from the heart. If you want change, DRAW A TOPO!

This morning the "sisters" took down the 6 ft. rock in Hollywood Los Angels from fear they were next to be attacted. The plaque said inn rememberance to the fallen lives that did fight for the confederate army. The rock stood over two people that fought in that fight. And one of them was even "Black". Did you know that there were black people that fought for the confederacy?

So how should "we" confront our enemies? Remember after Jesus fasted for 40 days, He was tempted by Satan, and then again when the romans came to arrest Him and Peter cut the dude? Jesus didn't want to crush His enemies voice, instead He listened, then exclaimed Gods word, and allowed THEM to make a choice
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Aug 16, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
Craig Fry:
Someone has to fight them, only the left will fight against these right wing Nazis, KKK, Communists, Fascists, evil dictators ...
Craig Fry, are you OK today?

I am concerned about your health because of your claim that "only the left will fight against ... communists".
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
Dago Viking slices Honky Viking in front of The Warlber's GF (masquerading as Janet Leigh).

"if I can't have your love, I'll take your hate", bitch.

At least he died with his sword in his hand.


Oh Odin, don't you weep, don't you mourn

Fay_rogues' army gonna get drownded




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zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 07:12pm PT
A CAGED ANINAL! (or two)

perfect

[our] president and his bitch



Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Aug 16, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
"only the left will fight against ... communists".

Well you got me there, the Fascists (Nazis) hated the communists as much as the liberals,
they declared war on each other just like the rest of the right wing extremist ideologies
extremist Islamic and extremist Christians are very similar in basic ideology, but will wage war against each other until they become non-extremists

Liberals fight for freedom/liberty, which is the definition of liberalism
we fight against the oppression of all humans, which then by definition is against taking away rights and freedoms we all enjoy from any group of minorities.

These Nazis and KKK/right wing extremists want to take away the rights of others, that is their goal.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 16, 2017 - 07:23pm PT
Dago Viking slices Honky Viking in front of The Warlber's GF (masquerading as Janet Leigh).

"if I can't have your love, I'll take your hate", bitch.

HaHaHaaaaaaa!

But why you reckon he did hesitate?

i bet a cheeseburger thee politards don't know!!
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 16, 2017 - 07:32pm PT
^They were bros, bro.
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