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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 07:54am PT
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Neil Gorsuch, just another corporatist bent on taking away human rights so the rich and corporations can have more rights to scam and pollute
Judge Neil Gorsuch is Republican nobility — the son of Anne Gorsuch Burford, who spent her brief tenure as President Reagan’s EPA administrator cutting staff and gutting anti-pollution regulations before resigning amidst scandal.
More than three decades after his mother’s resignation, Gorsuch now has the opportunity to wage an even more wide-ranging crusade against federal regulation. Gorsuch is President Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court seat Senate Republicans held open until Trump could fill it. And his record suggests that he will become big business’ dream justice.
You have to pretty far to the far right to see any good in this poor choice
But I guess he goes along with the pick of the Trump Crime Family, the worst of the worst, always vote for the most possible awfulness
so you can stick it to the libs!
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 12, 2017 - 07:58am PT
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You have to pretty far to the far right to see any good in this poor choice
Or maybe you just dig it when Libs get pissed and furious?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:15am PT
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Yes
Instead we got a Putin puppet that will go down as the worst President ever
a lying corrupt criminally inept loser that has the thinnest skin and cries about every little truth fact that's exposes him
In bed with Russia, in bed with the mob
in bed with Wall street, is a swamp monster along with his cabinet bent on destroying our Government from within
and not elected by the majority
and is a laughing stock around the world
just wait
he will be taken down
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:20am PT
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Instead we got a Putin puppet that will go down as the worst President ever
Sir, you honor Franklin Pierce most highly!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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Reilly, always a day late and dollar short
Quite right, I do tend to procrastinate and I'm a cheap batard.
I'm also guilty of not being suitably respectful of yer opinion, or The Guardian's.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:41am PT
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The worst is always an opinion I suppose. Harrison was the shortest tho, clocking in at 32 days. Hard to get much accomplished in 1 month. But apparently he and his running mate Tyler were hell on wheels on the campaign trail.
Boosted by a successful military and political career, which included stints in the U.S. Congress, Ohio Senate and as U.S. ambassador to Colombia, Harrison ran for president in 1840, choosing John Tyler to run with him on the Whig Party ticket. Much to the horror of the political establishment, the two men campaigned vigorously, setting the tone for future campaigns. They employed catchy campaign slogans such as Tippecanoe and Tyler, too, and held boisterous rallies during which they handed out free bottles of hard cider housed in little log cabin-shaped bottles.
Any president (Harding) who nicknames his penis "Jerry" could hardly be called the worst president of all time.
EDIT; It suggested Harrison died of complications from campaigning to vigorously (he developed pneumonia). But a closer look suggests the lack sewage treatment/handling at the time might have been his undoing. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/science/what-really-killed-william-henry-harrison.html?_r=0
As he lay dying, Harrison had a sinking pulse and cold, blue extremities, two classic manifestations of septic shock. Given the character and course of his fatal illness, his untimely death is best explained by enteric fever. Pneumonia was a secondary diagnosis — as Harrison’s hapless doctor perhaps suspected all along.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:52am PT
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I got ALL that I wanted. I got: Not-Hillary.
Yes... every little victory is welcomed.
Remember boys The President, is not really a Republican, the Wills and the McCains, the Bushes, McConnell, Ryans all hate him as much as you guys do.
And with the Democrats melting down over this latest nothing.... its all quite funny in a way. I look forward to every morning just to hear what Maxine Watters has to say and what Kookey BS Adam Shift has to say.
MB1... thanks for barbing all of these kooks here on Super Topo... they deserve it.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:57am PT
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Remember boys The President, is not really a Republican, Correct, he is an Authoritarian Fascist
and the Republican Party bows to the King
the meltdown of the party from the Trump circus equals the meltdown of right wingers trying to deny all Russian ties
here is the untold story
the megabytes of classified intel that Flynn and others sent off to Russia for the favors Russia have done
"Russia is our friend now, they will help our security if we work with them"
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:08am PT
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Apparently the "Russian ties" meme will not die among the simple-minded, even though CNN has been outed as floating the "mostly bullsh|t" story and keeping it front-and-center as if it were a real thing.
Poor CNN (and its true believers), scorned after its endless projections of a sure-Hillary win were brought to dust.
The left = mostly bullsh|t
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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guyman proves my point. For folks like him isn't about integrity or what is best for the country, it is all about his team, partisanship at its ugliest finest.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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Apparently the "Russian ties" meme will not die among the simple-minded, even though CNN has been outed as floating the "mostly bullsh|t" story and keeping it front-and-center as if it were a real thing.
except for the fact Jr. published his own emails showing collusion with Russia. He "loved" the idea, proof (and probably just the tip of the iceberg) your man's tran worked with Russians to get elected.
Carry on...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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MB, seriously compare the contents of Trump Jr's emails with the letter of the law from the Espionage Act. This can't be dismissed as a "meme". I put up my analysis in the covfefe thread because I didn't want to dilute this substantive policy thread to with pro/anti Trump rhetoric. While I perceive my post on that topic as analytical and fact based and quite substantive, it has more potential to trigger character attacks and Hillary comparisons in way of attempted defenses. It is about behaviors of specific people compared to national policy issues that were long ago settled (e.g. Espionage Act of 1917).
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Apparently the "Russian ties" meme is still being denied among the simple-minded, even though CNN has been found to have the story and keeping it front-and-center since it is the real thing.
Poor Fox (and its true believers), scorned after its endless projections of a legitimate Trump win were brought to dust.
The right = complete bullsh|t
More than 200,000 votes were denied by voter suppression in Wisconsin alone, Trump won by 20,000
Millions of votes nation wide were suppressed, FACT
so Trump only won by suppression (and Russian help in BS stories about Hillary), and the polls were correct, Hillary should have won
so that makes MB1 even more of a dupe since he can't even run on poor Hillary thought she would won line of BS
She did win, but the votes weren't counted, the election was rigged to stop Hillary, and provide the Republicans a total coup of our Gov.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:49am PT
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Btw, how many dozens or hundreds of outright lies have trump and his team stated unofficially and officially (e.g., under oath or on government disclosure forms) about having no contact with Russia?
Good job swamp cleaning.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:55am PT
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MB, seriously compare the contents of Trump Jr's emails with the letter of the law from the Espionage Act. This can't be dismissed as a "meme".
I gave you guys a taste of that very medicine regarding Hillary's email server, when I even asked you to compare the actual text of the laws as posted on the SD's website itself (links I provided) with Hillary's BEHAVIOR (not her "intent," which is nowhere mentioned in those statutes).
The perpetual response: "Ohhh, the old 'email' bit again. She was exonerated by the FBI that could find 'no evidence of intent,' so this is so over!"
"Exonerated?" Did we HEAR the same Comey speech? LOL
YOU guys don't want to systematically compare behaviors with statutes unless it's your OWN "witch hunt."
Hillary's behavior CLEARLY and obviously violated multiple records-keeping laws (some of them felonies), and even her "intent" was obvious. But you kept crying "PROVE it!"
So, I point all of that back at you now.
For the record, I despise Trump. He's an outrage on too many levels to even list! But YOU were determined to CRAM Hillary down our throats, and THAT was not gonna go. YOUR (the broad swath of die-hard Hillary supporters) refusal to do the VERY comparison you now tell me to do is what kept Hillary as candidate and is what produced what you now see.
I begged for many months, "Give me ANYBODY but Hillary." But nooooo... Hillary COULD NOT LOSE, so she HAD to be the go-to gal.
And my thinking represents millions of others! You HAD to have Hillary, and WE weren't going for that. So, you get Trump. We all get Trump. Hating it, but hating it less than the then-known criminal Hillary.
And I did get Gorsuch. Maybe I'll get one more like him before it all hits the fan.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 10:03am PT
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guyman proves my point. For folks like him isn't about integrity or what is best for the country, it is all about his team, partisanship at its ugliest finest.
Cragar.... You, Sir are 100% incorrect.
I want what IS best for my country... It is about time the Democrats give up the BS theater they have been engaging in after they LOST the presidential election and get to work.
Health Care IS extremely important and by refusing to get back to business and work with Republicans... yes THAT IS THE AMERICAN WAY to do things, they are doing the country HARM.
Cragar.... I 8 the republican party, BTW, those clowns have done almost nothing to help our Country and continue to do so.
Time for Vacation....
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2017 - 10:32am PT
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MB, Hillary isn't President now in large part because of the email scandal. I'm not a fanboy trying to dismiss it- I'm willing to talk about that separately. But frankly, the behavior of the present administration is more relevant than the behavior of the last one or the one that didn't get elected.
Pointing to what Hillary did has no bearing here. If you want to stay consistent, then Hillary should be punished for privately hosting a webserver that she mixed with her national security related work, and Trump Jr and Jared Kusher and Paul Manafort should be convicted of Espionage and have all of their assets stripped that can be tied to Trump Sr. being President.
I do see a logical reason for treating each case differently in terms of compliance with the letter of the law. Sec'y of State is a position involving extensive negotiation and management of information, regulating who has access to it and when. That information is to be managed in good faith for the benefit of the United States of America. I do believe there are times that people in that office need to communicate with others to achieve some end that is good for America, when it would not come to pass if there was full disclosure with the American public. So whether or not there is a legal mechanism for it, I believe there should be a digital-age mechanism to have informal whispered conversations. That I think was the honest intent of the private email server. I support the idea but not the execution of it. I don't think Hillary should be pilloried for that. I think we should as a nation accept that an information-aged solution for long distance "hallway whispers" is an important tool for statecraft. Some whispers need to be more quiet than others. She can be faulted for not keeping her whispers very quiet, but not for the mere existence of the whispers. So in this case the laws have not kept up with technology.
As for the case of Espionage against Trump Jr, Manafort, Kushner, and potentially others as the net widens... that is independent of modern technology changes. It is a matter of intent and what a reasonable person would know. They decided that winning the election was worth more than protecting the integrity and privacy of USA affairs, and conspired with a foreign government for their personal benefit in spite of the benefit they knew it would give to a foreign government.
In the context of this thread about policy issues, I will close with this: integrity and privacy should matter; protecting our nation and shared values (if we have any left?) should matter more than winning an election. These are the messages I would like our legal apparatus to help enforce, regardless of which parties or individuals are broken upon than law.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 12, 2017 - 10:44am PT
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I want what IS best for my country...
Ha! Good one! Enjoy your vacation and I hope it isn't like the vacation you take from critical analysis of the current admin and what is happening now.
refusing to get back to business and work with Republicans
What did you think about the last 8 or so years of republican obstructionism, not just one or two bills, everything the Obama admin attempted to do was met with a wall. Mc-CON-ell stated it from the beginning as their goal, no working with the dems. But now the dems are to work with repubs??? Man, the cognitive dissonance is strong in your head eh? did you express the same dissatisfaction with the republicans not getting back to business? If so then good'onYa, if not then your statement is obviously hollow.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 12, 2017 - 10:47am PT
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Guyman
what will you do when you hit 65 and are able to get the evil socialized Medicare???
and the cash Gov. freebie handouts called SS, for you jobless freeloaders
will your mind change then?, or will you just remain a hypocrite
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