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fear
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hartford, ct
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Mar 14, 2017 - 10:56am PT
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In college I worked landscaping and had a crew of Ecuadorians who came up every summer. Hardest working m'fers I've ever seen for $5/hour. Brutal hard work in the heat too.
I became fluent in Spanish very quickly. Funny guys with a few women too. Some looked like primative river-people that you'd see alongside the Amazon in a documentary on lost tribes. They'd climb trees (high up too) with no gear to check nests for baby bird eggs which they would then eat.
And they'd return home every year at the end of the season with their loot. The local economy sure didn't seem to suffer.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 14, 2017 - 11:16am PT
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So, with tighter controls on welfare AND the border, we'd still have veggies, and the cost would vanish into a couple of Starbuck's lattes per year. Untwist yer knickers. We do, of course, need some rational reform of who gets in, how many, etc.
Well, wait a minute.
Who, exactly, would do the picking of the produce, you haven't made that clear?
You've made an argument that is economic in nature--pay more, and the white boys would come out. I don't think so.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 14, 2017 - 11:19am PT
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You've made an argument that is economic in nature--pay more, and the black boys would come out. I don't think so.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 14, 2017 - 03:35pm PT
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Please. We'd all just sit around and starve? Really? If I'm able-bodied and on welfare but field jobs are available? Guess what? No welfare, pal. Get out there and pick grapes or whatever. Pay the workers more--as the economists point out--and costs to the consumer are negligible. Higher wages would get more takers, and if the choice is work or starve, then, yep, whitey would work. Also, read the Seattle Times piece; a huge number of those jobs are in construction and other trades. Whitey won't do that, either? Please. The idea that pale skin = unable to do anything physically challenging is racist. We've simply made it too easy not to work. Also, with a vast illegal workforce hungry for such--any--work, it's easy to say whitey won't do it. Meanwhile, the permanent second-class workforce is easily exploited. Read about the obscene treatment of these people in slaughterhouses as detailed in Fast Food Nation and you'll see what I mean. The Right loves the cheap labor; the Left loves the votes--or at least playing to the base. The result is NOTHING meaningful done in decades while the problem gets worse. And if you think there is no problem, you don't know what's going on.
BAd
Good point, TGT2. Mechanization, of course, is proceeding quickly, as we know. Look at how almonds are now harvested. Those shakers are wild!
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