California without undocumented

Thinking "but I'm legal" won't be of much help when you find yourself hauled into some horrible place and disallowed your rights because they demanded papers and you didn't produce them fast enough.

^^^ALLS they gotta do is go thru the gate!

Juss sayin😐

If you know how to spell your own name, and can remember your own birthday, then you'll never have a problem identifying yourself to law enforcement no matter what you look like. No paper required.

Illegal immigration actually is not a crime, according to the Supreme Court.

lots of hysteria.

There are 1.8 million convicted felons still here illegally. lots more with already adjudicated removal orders.

This is so crazy, for so many reasons. Years and years of rules and rule changes. Do it once, do it right (Jim Bridwell, I think). I guess if we are too stoopid (Werner) to figure it out let's ask for help from New Zealand.

Let people gain legal access. No more dying while crossing. A system to check people out is not rocket science. Jess sayin'.

California without Mexicans will be FAR better off.

edit: and before you play the race card, i married a legal immigrant from Brazil..

You are in the clear! Having brown spouse grants automatic license to spew racist non facts.

Are we inhabitants of the US required to ID ourselves to the police when we are not involved or suspected of any crime?

3)Maybe Jody knows that 54% of Mexican Nationals in California are on some form of welfare.

Is that a high school called "The Bathrooms"???

A Mexican National is not eligible for welfare benefits. Welfare programs are administered by the county, and those programs are notorious for diligently checking status. Although it is unclear what you mean by "some form of welfare".

Ken M posted
Are we inhabitants of the US required to ID ourselves to the police when we are not involved or suspected of any crime?

2) Maybe Jody knows and accepts the statistical reality that a person who has broken a federal law, is more likely to break another law, than someone who has not, we call them repeat offenders for a reason. If someone has immigrated illegally, they have broken the law! They are a criminal just as much as someone who committed another federal crime, tax evasion or whatever.. and illegal immigrants are more likely to commit other crimes here in the US.

...They also don’t point out that low-skill immigration has a side effect that reduces that $50 billion increase in wealth. The National Academy of Sciences recently estimated the impact of immigration on government budgets. On a year-to-year basis, immigrant families, mostly because of their relatively low incomes and higher frequency of participating in government programs like subsidized health care, are a fiscal burden. A comparison of taxes paid and government spending on these families showed that immigrants created an annual fiscal shortfall of $43 billion to $299 billion...

...But those accusations of racism reflect their effort to avoid a serious discussion of the trade-offs. The coming debate would be far more honest and politically transparent if we demanded a simple answer from those who disagree with “America First” proposals: Who are you rooting for?

Com'on, everyone knows have a baby, get free food and housing.

4) Illegal aliens in San Diego County are responsible for more than half of all alcohol related fatal traffic accidents. You can't get the actual stat, because they are "protecting the hispanic community" instead of protecting the people they kill, but the California CHP does acknowledge that it is more than half of all alcohol related deaths.

"4) Illegal aliens in San Diego County are responsible for more than half of all alcohol related fatal traffic accidents"... Bullsh!t...

let's ask for help from New Zealand. Let people gain legal access.

I interpret SS as raising money first.

Is that a high school called "The Bathrooms"???

A study by the Highway Safety Research Center at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, based on information from law enforcement agencies, revealed Hispanic drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes are more likely to be intoxicated than members of other ethnic and racial groups. The report states that 7.04 percent of Hispanic drivers involved in crashes in North Carolina were intoxicated, compared with 4.87 percent of Native Americans, 2.82 percent of whites, and 2.28 percent of blacks. Hispanics, who account for 18 percent of drunken-driving arrests, make up less than seven percent of the Tarheel State’s population.

Thesocialcontract.com was cited above.

Its publisher-social contract press-has been described as a hate group by the southern poverty law center. So, consider the source.

The RACIST calling someone else a racist.

4) Illegal aliens in San Diego County are responsible for more than half of all alcohol related fatal traffic accidents. You can't get the actual stat, because they are "protecting the hispanic community" instead of protecting the people they kill, but the California CHP does acknowledge that it is more than half of all alcohol related deaths.

Edbannister made the above spurious and unverifiable claim, asserting (without identifing who they are) that the information is being suppressed.

DO you think Mister White Guy is going to do that work for minimum wage?

I've worked in the fields it's not that hard..

maybe all those Obama phone users can start with working in the fields.

it's not that hard

Feb 28, 2017 - 09:58am PT
The study locker cited does not refute the claim that hispanics drive drunk at higher rates

The study he cited showed hispanics abstained from drinking alcohol at higher rates. when it got to drinking three or more drinks a day-a level that could result being legally drunk while driving- it showed hispanics consume three or more drinks a day at higher rates than whites. Of corse that still does not prove hispanics drive drunk more frequently.


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"Of corse that still does not prove hispanics drive drunk more frequently."...


Exactly and STILL LOVING IT!!!...



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Like a fuking box of ROCKS...

Our community is threatened by GOP attacks on thousands of ___ County residents whose only “crime” is having no documentation. You might ignore this, saying “well, I’ve got documentation.” But when hundreds of business-owners in the valley cannot find experienced agricultural workers, our tax base will suffer.

When health-care and construction workers have been forced into hiding, that means a trickle-down, reducing food and fuel sales and rent receipts…serious blows to our fragile economy.

How is a claim both spurious (false) and unverifiable (not susceptible to be being proved or disproved)?
Hmmmmmmm

I've worked in the fields it's not that hard..

We don't need a de facto slave workforce to exploit

They put their own family at risk. And they reduce wages and increase job competition for legal workers. Those construction jobs you speak of? The industry has been decimated and good paying jobs lost because of illegal competition. Under the current left wing idea of "family values" we should not punish any criminal- for putting them in prison breaks up their families....

MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN!

Feb 28, 2017 - 01:36pm PT
They put their own family at risk. And they reduce wages and increase job competition for legal workers. Those construction jobs you speak of? The industry has been decimated and good paying jobs lost because of illegal competition. Under the current left wing idea of "family values" we should not punish any criminal- for putting them in prison breaks up their families....

At what point does it stop? The excuse of "breaking up families" will be used until our laws are enforced. And yes those laws need to be enforced among the employers hiring them.

I already explained employers should be held accountable.

RIBUNE’S VOICE Wednesday, September 8. 1965 MADERA DAILY TRIBUNE Page 4 ‘A-Team Program Botch-Up’
A good many people won’t quarrel with the aid government lias given the farmer, but a California Farm Bureau writer feels that the !'• S. Department of Labor should of stayed home this year when it “helped out” in the A-Team farm labor program. At least this is the general feeling §he found among growers participating in the A-Team (Athletes in Temporary Employment as Agricultural Manpower) program. The California Farm Bureau Monthly this month presents a factual account of the program’s operation in this state in the Stockton. Salinas and Blythe areas where the majority of the teams were employed. As the story tells, the Labor Department not only jumped on the bandwagon of California’s two-year-old program of employing youths in agriculture. “but also took over the driver’s seat without knowing the first thing about handling the vehicle. The result was a bungle which has left some growers as well as some A-Team members very bitter.” Complaints against the program listed in the article include: • The Labor Department did not take advantage of the experience the state has had in operating such a program. • Recruiters oversold the program to the young people. And growers were forced to take the A-Teams in order to meet criteria for the foreign supplemental labor they might need at a later date. • The A-Team program became one vehicle to be used by the Department of Labor in a “crash” program to prove that there are ample domestic people available to do farm labor. • A-Team members interviewed said they had been led to believe that this was a recreational as well as a work program that recreational facilities would be provided and that participants would be coached in sports. • Students were led to believe they would be guaranteed $1.40 per hour* regardless of their production. (In Salinas. after a training and trial period during which they received $l-40 per liour. A-Team members were placed on tpe going piece rate of $1 per flat of Worries. This the students didn’t like.) • Although they understood their food would cost $2.2.") per day. some
said they didn’t realize this was to be deducted from their wages. All interviewed said they hadn’t been told that insurance costs (social security, state disability and off-the-job medical insurance) would be deducted from their pay. • The youngsters said they didn’t feel that living conditions and food measured up to what they had been led to believe they would receive. • The growers were told they would receive junior and senior high school athletes accompanied by their coaches. They say they were also led to believed by the Labor Department personnel that if they cooperated in the A-Team program, they would also receive braceros this season. “Growers will tell you now that they were double-crossed on both counts.” • Growers had to foot the entire bill on the A-Team program, and it has been an extremely costly venture. • The productivity of the A-Teams w r as not on a par with the average qualified farm worker. Nat Scatena. president of the Stockton Growers’ Group, Inc., which managed the teams for growers in the Stockton area, ranked their productivity at 5b per cent of-that, of a qualified farm worker- • Salinas Strawberries will have lost about $75,000 out-of-pocket costs on this program by the end of the season. • Blythe Growers, Inc., estimates growers’ costs will run between $35,000 and $40,000 exclusive of wages and supervisory, state compensation and social security costs. • Dan Riggi, supervisor for the J & A Farms in Blythe, said his firm lost 40 per cent of its cantaloupes in the field. This year’s workers, including A-Teams, left that many melons behind in the fields, • The attrition rate among A-Team members was extremely high, one team quitting after three days and another after five. In summarizing her findings, writer Betty Yater wrote; “All-in-all. the A-Team program in California can only be described as a botch. California agriculture and the Farm Labor Division have a real job on their hands if they are to salvage their youth farm worker program for future years after the setback the nrocram received this year at the hands of the 11. S. Department of Labor.”

brave cowboy- your assuming they file tax returns. That's a big assumption

Illegals pay payroll taxes

The problem with that is that the documentation has changed so many times over the years that an employer cannot have a ghost of a chance of knowing whether they are authentic or not.

And it would be a "civil rights" violation and a guaranteed lawsuit to ask about citizenship.


Mandatory E Verify is the way to go.

Mandatory E Verify is the way to go.

BwaHaHa! I guess you don't know how the construction industry rolls.

The problem with that is that the documentation has changed so many times over the years that an employer cannot have a ghost of a chance of knowing whether they are authentic or not.

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satire

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“When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.
~Maya Angelou

we are all the same in our souls

I don't believe anyone here is a true racist.

"I don't mean to be rude ..."

"Yet, sadly, accidental rudeness occurs alarmingly often."

The problem, IMHO, is that we conflate what we believe with what is true. We're not racist! We just act that way.

Racism is not a binary state. Racism is both a conscious and a sub-conscious mental state. It can appear in anyone from a KKK lynch mob to a small child, no need to travel to Minnesota to find it.

This is a bigoted and racist statement.
Why didn't Gary get deactivated?

Get over the word "racist" WBraun, it is a distraction from the real issue, pre-judging people. You know, black people don't climb, asians don't play basketball, white men can't dance. Or on a more serious note, black man driving in a white neighborhood must be up to no good. Muslim doing his prayers must be a terrorist.

According to statistics provided by ICE, in FY2015, ICE released 19,723 criminal aliens who
had a total of 64,197 convictions. This included 101 homicide convictions, 216 kidnapping
convictions, 320 sexual assault convictions, 352 commercialized sexual offenses, 1,347 domestic
violence convictions, 1,728 assault convictions, and 12,307 driving under the influence of
alcohol convictions.2
It would be misleading, however, to hold ICE responsible for all of these
releases. This is breakdown on responsibility for such releases for FY2013 through FY2015

I do not recall a single congressman expressing shock over the fact that enforcement
and removal operations for the entire country are handled by only 6,000 ICE officers.
The New York City Police Department has 34,500 uniform police officers for a single
city.
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The republicans have complained repeatedly about the Administration’s failure
to enforce the immigration laws, but I don’t think there has ever been an
Administration of either party that has had the personnel and resources needed to
mount a large-scale, nationwide enforcement program.

for relating facts before

no PC filter, just who has committed crime in LA and is not detained

have a look for yourself:

by not stemming the tide

This mornings headlines.

(I could do this almost every day with different stories)

Should illegals be allowed a court hearing before being deported...? There is a 5 year back log for a hearing...If Mexico had a better economy would the unauthorized immigrants be sneaking across the border...? The outsourced factory jobs don't pay sh#t down there...Shouldn't it be Mexicos responsibility to take care of its' citizens wage earnings instead of having them escape Mexico...? Will The Wall keep Americans from escaping the US when Trump's great depression arrives...? The sands of time may tell...

Mexicans made up 52% of all unauthorized immigrants in 2014, though their numbers had been declining in recent years. There were 5.8 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. that year, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to the latest Pew Research Center estimates. Meanwhile, the number of unauthorized immigrants from nations other than Mexico grew by 325,000 since 2009,

Should illegals be allowed a court hearing before being deported...? There is a 5 year back log for a hearing.

Yeah, sure, free dental. One of my cellar hands is loosing teeth. Where does he sign up?

when there are millions of people in this country illegally and they are so emboldened they openly say they are illegal it means our laws are not actually enforced. and what other laws do you find too costly to enforce? Your views are not clear. You are also discounting the costs on society from having so many here illegally.

I have to take exception to this point. Clearly it is not.

Beginning in 1986, though, the worksite has become an enforcement site for immigration law, with employers required to check the work authorization of every worker they hire on pain of penalties and even criminal prosecution for hiring workers who do not present appropriate documents.

As an employer, you should conclude that you are in legal peril if you knowingly employ undocumented immigrant workers, even if your business is not part of the “critical infrastructure” but just a small business trying to get by, and even if you treat your workers fairly.

If any information comes your way, subsequent to hire, that suggests a worker may not be authorized to work in the U.S., you should look into it. The reason for this is that employers can be held liable not only for actual knowledge of a worker’s undocumented status, but also for “constructive knowledge” – that is, basically, for having reason to know.

Penalties for Hiring Undocumented Immigrants


You may be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense. If you are found to have engaged in a “pattern and practice” of hiring undocumented workers, then you can be fined up to $3,000 per employee and/or imprisoned for up to six months.

You may be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense. If you are found to have engaged in a “pattern and practice” of hiring undocumented workers, then you can be fined up to $3,000 per employee and/or imprisoned for up to six months.