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rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Mar 4, 2017 - 10:11am PT

Monolith...I'll read your article ..I stand corrected...rj

EdBannister

Mountain climber

13,000 feet

Mar 4, 2017 - 06:09pm PT

Mr. H

if i misrepresented that was not intentional and i apologize.

Majid_S

Mountain climber

Karkoekstan, Former USSR

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2017 - 09:17pm PT

looks like ICE is after Asian now vising downtown SF and southern CA

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Mar 13, 2017 - 08:01am PT

Undereducated white trash would have to be put into work camps and forced to do the work now done by Latinos. They certainly wouldn't do so willingly, they much prefer collecting unemployment while bitterly complaining that Latinos are stealing their jobs.

c wilmot

climber

Mar 13, 2017 - 09:01am PT

Donini- that's racist nonsense. It's always odd to me how the last group of white males to benifit from white privladge during a segregated society are the most vocally anti white racists among us.
Guilty consciences I guess.

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Mar 13, 2017 - 09:29am PT

Exactly.
I heard an NPR interview with a white guy, not too long ago.
This was in North Carolina. The white guy was in his early sixties, and unemployed, but was on welfare.
The white guy said he would rather stay on welfare than work at a "demeaning" job.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Mar 13, 2017 - 09:40am PT

This gives us the opportunity to take advantage of the Slavery exception in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

The only problem is how to separate the whites out.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Mar 13, 2017 - 10:19am PT

They're the ones that can't cut it out in the fields or everywhere else that hard labor is being done.

capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Mar 13, 2017 - 11:57am PT

seriously, if you look deep enough it's just one criminal defending another...

The law student got out of it because he didn't want to make a job out of lying.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Mar 13, 2017 - 01:18pm PT

They do make me cringe, it's a sign of the times. A lot of what is going on in America makes me cringe.
The adoptive father of my twin grandchildren runs a large grape vineyard near Hollister. He told me that the county has one of the highest unemployment rates in California. He constantly advertises for help and gets zero response from unemployed whites in the area. I

c wilmot

climber

Mar 13, 2017 - 02:01pm PT

DoninI- I would be interested to see those job listings. I am guessing he is not getting white guys to apply as few are bi lingual - a requirement for most winery work... "bi lingual preferred" is a clever way of saying- we hire illegals and need one legal guy to manage them.

As for the cost of food- I really don't feel we should continue to exploit illegal labor to artificially keep our cost of food low. It's pretty much the same argument the antebellum south made for why slavery was justified.

And "welfare" is not A social service. At best you will get unemployment for a few months but only if you had been previously working. Able bodied people will not qualify for any social program. The myth of welfare kings and queens is just that- a myth.

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 13, 2017 - 05:58pm PT

Donini- that's racist nonsense. It's always odd to me how the last group of white males to benifit from white privladge during a segregated society are the most vocally anti white racists among us.

Could you translate that into English? Thanks!

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Mar 13, 2017 - 06:22pm PT

Fellas, I love you like brothers. Like brothers! But seriously, reread your sentences above and tell me they don't make you cringe?

Can't you find another way to help undocumented workers than casting aspersions in this manner? Do you think this phrasing is helpful?

Excuse me, Dingus. I am rather stoopid so I don't understand how what I said cast aspersions on anyone. Can you please explain it to me?
Thanks.

c wilmot

climber

Mar 13, 2017 - 06:25pm PT

Undereducated black trash would have to be put into work camps and forced to do the work now done by Latinos. They certainly wouldn't do so willingly, they much prefer collecting unemployment while bitterly complaining that Latinos are stealing their jobs.

racist?

( to clarify Gary I would have left out the "racists" part of my diatribe. I don't think donini is racist. I regret phrasing it that way)

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Mar 13, 2017 - 09:15pm PT

If I could wave my magic wand I would make both illegal labor and (edit) welfare for the able-bodied far more difficult to obtain.

I think we need a "bracero"-type program for agriculture.

There is a lot of racial stereotyping going on in this thread, but I think it is largely mistaken.

I also have a friend who is a raisin grower near Fresno. Cannot get whites to work his jobs. Tried, never last a day.

Why? are whites genetically weaker, and incapable of doing this work?

No, I don't believe that. I think it is acculturation. I suspect the whites able to do this are up on rock walls.

Bruce Morris

Trad climber

Belmont, California

Mar 14, 2017 - 01:53am PT

I'll pick raisins in the hot sun if they pay me my professional rate as a GS13: a dollar-and-a-quarter p/h.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Mar 14, 2017 - 02:59am PT

Tried, never last a day.

Hard labor out in the sun for low wages - I did some of it when I was younger and stretched for cash and it can be chokingly brutal especially when it's day in day out working long days. Getting through the first week was never easy and I've seen a lot of guys who either couldn't cut it or tried to slack the entire time - either way they didn't last more than a day or two - if that.

I remember one job digging about forty yard, 3x4 ditch by hand. I was in good climbing shape and I kind of perversely like shoveling of any kind. Long story short, I got to motoring and the other guy they hired kept saying "slow it down, slow it down" - I didn't, he finally just climbed out of the ditch and walked away disgusted. It went way faster without him in the way.

Not cut out for it or not willing - doesn't matter in the end - if a job needs to get done and you're not doing it, for whatever reason, there's always someone who will and appreciate having the work. I know I did during those stretches. I have a lot of respect for anyone - male, female, any color, any age - who can pound out hard work. It's a different state of mind.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Mar 14, 2017 - 06:36am PT

I tried picking watermelons in the valley ( San Juaqin ) for Jerky Boy Growers.. Lasted a day.. The latino workers called me names.. Hoto , Puta , and other words i couldn't find in my spanish-english dictionary.. I quit..

Bad Climber

Trad climber

The Lawless Border Regions

Mar 14, 2017 - 06:39am PT

A little reality check here, and other sources are available. The $10 lettuce argument is a joke, and I think most who think about it for more than a few seconds would see that. Here's the first source I came up with in a few seconds of searching. I'm interested in finding more. Some flava and a link:

An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.5 cents per day. Yet for the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $17,600 to $24,640 per 2000-hour work year. That increase would move the worker from beneath the federal poverty line to above it. In fact, the salary would be higher than the median salary paid by Walmart.

The cost of labor is a very small component of food. Consumers who pay $1 for a pound of apples, or $1 for a head of lettuce, are giving 16 to 19 cents to the farmer and 5 to 6 cents to the farm worker.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/fulano_de_tal/2011/aug/18/the-myth-of-illegal-immigration-and-food-prices/#

So, with tighter controls on welfare AND the border, we'd still have veggies, and the cost would vanish into a couple of Starbuck's lattes per year. Untwist yer knickers. We do, of course, need some rational reform of who gets in, how many, etc.

Another link: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/low-paid-illegal-work-force-has-little-impact-on-prices/

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