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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Dec 29, 2016 - 11:23am PT
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FYI, the Park Service isn't going to run this one. Most of that land is and will remain BLM. not that they have any money either,
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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Dec 29, 2016 - 11:29am PT
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Defensive move by Obama. People are trying to develop the area, including taking land away from an Indian reservation. Access Fund was OK with that as long as climbing is still allowed. I dont know the Bears Ears area but would rather see Utah develop tourism than mining.
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Dec 29, 2016 - 11:58am PT
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I'm like you Fritz, mixed emotions. Protections are needed but the notoriety that comes with designation is problematic. Remarkable area. In the end if it pisses off the Utah legislation I will tend toward supporting it, as they are all a bunch of asshats, every single one of them. And stick a stick up your pud, pud.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Dec 29, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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More land for the park service to maintain
Slight clarification, Bears Ears will be run by the BLM, not NPS, as will the new Gold Butte NM in Nevada.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Dec 29, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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Obama has now designated over 553 million acres as "Monument" under the Antiquities Act far exceeding all presidents
So.
I'm like you Fritz, mixed emotions. Protections are needed but the notoriety that comes with designation is problematic. Remarkable area. In the end if it pisses off the Utah legislation I will tend toward supporting it, as they are all a bunch of asshats, every single one of them. And stick a stick up your pud, pud.
+1
Chaffetz, Bishop, Hatch, will try to derail this. I say boycott the Utah ski resorts.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
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I think you guys don't understand the ramifications of these designations.
If obama really care about these lands he would create a way to subsidize the departments ordered to manage designated "monuments".
Instead he's doing what he does best, talk.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
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Obama has now designated over 553 million acres as "Monument" under the Antiquities Act far exceeding all presidents combined...
Excellent.
Curt
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
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I think you guys don't understand the ramifications of these designations.
You clearly don't. It's BLM land both before and after the N.M. designation. This simply gives the designated lands additional protection from being destroyed by extractive industries.
Curt
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
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^^^ Only to be mismanaged by underfunded agencies.
I've known smoke and mirrors work on the masses for a long time.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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^^^Lol, from a trump voter.^^^
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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Lol, from a trump voter
Sore loser
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:28pm PT
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He's all yours. You elected that con man.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
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He's all yours. You elected that con man.
Actually, the people didn't elect him. Our apartheid system of government did.
Curt
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
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Actually, the people didn't elect him. Our apartheid system of government did.
Paranoid delusion
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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pud let me ask you this. Do you think we as a people, or our government owes anything to the Native American tribes in this region? They were the ones who came together in a united front and asked Obama to designate this monument. Our state's so-called public lands initiative (PLI) didn't even meet with the tribes.
So again I'll ask, are we justified in doing whatever we want with the land (basically social Darwinism) or do we have any obligation to honor the Native American people that live there?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
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So again I'll ask, are we justified in doing whatever we want with the land (basically social Darwinism) or do we have any obligation to honor the Native American people that live there?
And this designation honors 'Native' American people in what way exactly? You are not a 'Native' I am assuming.
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
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Reading comprehension. By honoring their request. They asked for this.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
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Says you?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 29, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
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Lets protect our lands by creating larger underfunded bureaucracies to mismanage. Brilliant. Ask yourself why you think these designations will save and/or protect these lands.
Maybe you like orange picnic tables in otherwise pristine hiking areas and fees for access?
I'm out.
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