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WBraun
climber
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Tradman
You might as well forget it. The doctor dude can't for the life of him understand a simple thing ....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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yes i believe you are correct...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Trad, as a Sensei of many years, I understand where you are coming from.
However, these professional fighters work in a different system, to some degree. Boxing is much closer to describing how things work.
You unwillingness to accept my attempt to reach out to you to find common ground says more to me about your MA training, than your rhetoric.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I am going on what I observed watching both fights and what I read on SB nation and a few of the other MMA sites. If It makes you feel any better perhaps she should fire the trainer and the coach. Still think you are splitting hairs... you know damn well what I was getting at and your just trying to be difficult.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Trad, explain it how you want. I've been trying to find common understanding and ground with you, and you seem absolutely determined to dis any point of view or experience I may have. You have not given an inch, although you've never been in that experience at that level.
Ok, I give up. You are an expert on everything having to do with combat and martial arts, and the rest of us are lucky to walk on ground you've touched.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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so rousys corner did a good job in the holms fight and a good job prepareing her for the nunes fight?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Beat like a rented mule...LMAO...how cruel..
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
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"Terrible" tradmanclimbs vs Ken "The Killer" M
January 6th, Ceaser's Palace, Las vegas
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Good match up... Dr. Ken , The Sand Man vs. Tradman , The ice ax cometh..
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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so rousys corner did a good job in the holms fight and a good job prepareing her for the nunes fight?
NO. They did a terrible job of PREPARING her for both. But we don't know what happened. You sound like you've never encountered a person who has had their bell rung. There is no such thing as a reasonable discussion.
In the Nunes match, WHEN would that discussion have happened? She never made it back to the corner?
In the prep, I could easily see this scenario:
Coach: "Ronda, we need to train you much harder in boxing, especially defensive techniques"
Ronda: "No way. I've lost one fight, on a lucky punch. I then had trouble getting in for a takedown. I need more work on getting that takedown. I don't like punching, I don't want to waste my time punching.
The girl I'm fighting is a good boxer, but she's been beat 4 times. She was beat in 1-1/2 min by the girl I beat in 14 seconds. I need to get her on the ground.
Coach: "I don't agree, but you're paying the bills"
Maybe that was the way it was, maybe not. Her demonstrated ego would not surprise me with that action.
I refuse to trash the reputation of a guy whose name I don't know (the Trainer), when I have no inside knowledge of the decision making involved. It's not fair, it's not reasonable, and it's not sportsmanlike.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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What would Jesus do ?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Suckers, it has all been fixed just to bring in more of your money for the next rematch.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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"Sports don't build character. They reveal it!"
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Maybe that was the way it was, maybe not.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Ken. that a reasonable thought on the nunes fight. the holms fight however it's all on tape. you can clearly hear the guy telling her she is doing great and just keep doing what your doing..
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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third thought:
what was sad about this fight is that we'll never know...
there is no question that the sport is evolving and that rousey's relatively one dimensional dominance in the near past was in all likelihood nearing its nadir...
with that said, it also seems clear to me that this wasn't entirely just nunes winning...
i'm not saying that nunes couldn't have beaten a mentally healthy rousey... after seeing that fight, i suspect she would have.
unfortunately that's not the only thing that we, imesho, just watched...
and so it's one thing to watch a healthy and well trained former champ go out fighting a healthy and well trained opponent... it's another to watch them go out thanks in large parts to personal demons that are as big or bigger than their opponents skills...
unfortunately, i suspect we watched as much or more of the latter, as we did of the former...
and so even if nunes likely would have won in either case, what we didn't get to see is what i suspect could have been an actual fight if rousey had the emotional/psychological health to come at this fight with the full force of her being...
instead we got to watch the ritual execution of a struggling "elder".
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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