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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 31, 2016 - 06:51am PT
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WTF, Not. She simply did not have the skills to compete at that level... she has only been doing MMA for a few years. Holly Holms started kickboxing at age 11 and then switched to boxing. Amanda Nunes started in karate and then ju jitsu and Muy Thai. Rousy was 100% judo her whole life until her move to MMA. she was a one trick pony. Holm exposed her weakness and now ronda is finished... and her coach sucks. she should have been able to beat Holms on the ground but her coach kept telling her she was doing great at her stand up....
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Dec 31, 2016 - 07:46am PT
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two thoughts:
what a great stoppage by dean. when i watched it live it seemed like he stepped in kind of early... but watching the replay it became obvious that he did what a pro ref should do in that situation. there's nothing that takes away from mma more than a ref that stops too early... other than a ref making a stoppage too late. so kudos to him for being one of the two professionals in that ring and for making a great call...
second, i'm honestly having trouble thinking of a fall from grace/hype that was quite as thorough and as spectacular as rousey's now is. nunes made rousey look like she was an amateur who had entered the ring after a drunken bet with her girlfriends. the sport truly has moved past her... and at the same time, she was not able to even begin to deal with the mental/emotional demons she must have and instead continued to surround herself with people who didn't apparently do anything to help her take any steps towards addressing her shortcomings. while, i'm not astounded by the loss, i have to admit i am a little surprised by the thoroughness of it. if she was suicidal before, this was kind of like a modern equivalent to watching a public foot flogging down at the town's centre square... i hope rousey finds some peace someday... cause that [both holm and nunes] was about as humiliating a set of experiences, that i can recall, a human as hyped as rousey was, ever going through. and that's not just because she got beat... everyone gets beat someday... rather it's because it was done in such a thorough and convincing fashion that it didn't just take the present away, it somehow managed to even take some of the past away.
regardless, long live the lioness... cool to see women's mma continue to evolve and mature into a sport with actual professionals [and not just amateurs being paid professional purses] in the same way that men's mma did in the mid aughts.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 31, 2016 - 07:56am PT
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She was stupid staying with that idiot Edmund (her coach and trainer).
Useless moron who destroyed her.
The guy should be arrested for almost getting his fighter killed.
Get a real coach/trainer who will make her humble and train her real striking and defensive skills instead of building up a one trick pony.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Dec 31, 2016 - 09:18am PT
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jesus christ she got wailed on
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 09:39am PT
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I disagree Locker...she blocked 35 of ~50 strikes....
with her face !!!
"Remember, this is a new class all together...ronda was the 1st professional to enter the scene, on a sceene that had never existed, never ever seen before"....big fish in a small pond.
Her 15 minutes is over, she did great things for womens MMA, single handedly getting it in the UFC. Remember Dana said "never" but she convinced him. Unfortunately she was kind of a bad representative of the sport, a sore loser and kind of a sore winner too. I have no problem watching the highlight reel of her getting KO'd, even better if someone could dub in the Holm head kick.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2016 - 10:04am PT
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Not making excuses for Ronda but, I think there may have been a different outcome had Nunes been (mis)managed the same way by the same people.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 31, 2016 - 10:22am PT
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To be fair, it is not reasonable to call the coaching bad, when we don't know what they advised.
Ronda appears to be a very strong-headed person, with a record that supported that she was the best alive. A lot of people said so.
She was also a person who did not appear to have a humble bone in her body.
I could easily see her as a person who views the first loss as a fluke, and that all she needed to do was train harder, but exactly the same way.
Of course, that feeds directly into an opponent's game plan, if she does exactly what she has always done---she is no longer a moving target, but a fixed one. Her weakness exposed, an opponent knows exactly what to do--and that was what Nunes did brilliantly.
Rousey never seemed to have a plan "B"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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What about that moron ref letting it go so long? She was incurring brain damage long
before he stepped in. That was criminal negligence.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2016 - 10:31am PT
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What about that moron ref letting it go so long? She was incurring brain damage long
before he stepped in. That was criminal negligence.
I think he had a difficult job and did it well.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2016 - 10:35am PT
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Ronda appears to be a very strong-headed person, with a record that supported that she was the best alive. A lot of people said so.
She was also a person who did not appear to have a humble bone in her body.
I could easily see her as a person who views the first loss as a fluke, and that all she needed to do was train harder, but exactly the same way.
Have to agree with Ken M on this one. I wasn't taking into consideration Ronda's stubborn attitude.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 10:56am PT
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where do these analists come up with their crap?? why was Ronda the betting favorite?
For the same reason that big names always get a bump on odds-betting favorite isn't who the oddsmakers think will win, it's how they think they can split the (largely uninformed) public's bets to maximize profit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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"Analists"? I thought this was a family friendly channel?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 31, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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We are assuming that her coaching sucked because most of us have heard the audio from the Holm fight where the moron trainer is telling her that she was winning the stand up while she was clearly outclassed. The trainer should have been telling her to close the gap and get it on the ground but sent her out there to bang with a world champion boxer. yes the trainer sucks and did not show us anything in this fight to change our opinions.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 31, 2016 - 03:30pm PT
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Dean when you are a young man getting in the ring and pounding the crap out of each other is fun.. I used to watch that stuff to learn. now its kind of brutal to watch.....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 31, 2016 - 04:03pm PT
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the harsh reality is that little boys like to hit things. Even when we have good lives and good parents with enough food on the table little boys like to practice and play at hunting, fighting and war.... perhaps it is a sign of our deteiorating society that now little girls want to fight and go to war as well...
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Dec 31, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
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You guys can turn anything into politics.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 31, 2016 - 04:51pm PT
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We are assuming that her coaching sucked because most of us have heard the audio from the Holm fight where the moron trainer is telling her that she was winning the stand up while she was clearly outclassed. The trainer should have been telling her to close the gap and get it on the ground but sent her out there to bang with a world champion boxer. yes the trainer sucks and did not show us anything in this fight to change our opinions.
That's not unreasonable, considering that we don't get to see the coaching process.
However, in my experience, it is not the trainers job to work out the strategy and tactics, but to support that decision. Cheerleading. He knows what the strategy is, and the fighter knows. To introduce uncertainty into the equation, when the fighter is pummeled and confused, is probably the wrong move for the trainer. I think of strategy decisions as coaching. They say "plan your work, and work your plan"
Creating a new plan on-the-spot, without serious thought, and months to train in execution, is generally a quick descent into failure.
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 31, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
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blasphemy
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