Climate Change: Why aren't more people concerned about it?

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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Dec 23, 2016 - 10:37am PT

the science suggests they will regardless of what they want to do... rick

and ignoring those studies is foolish.

But you do more than play the fool in your strange pronouncements.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 10:54am PT

Science gone mad.

You guys are modern witch doctors, mad incompetents at best, leaders of a Lemming like mass suicide of all earth species at worst. The aim of the sole prescription coming out these modern day witch doctors is to cure the imaginary disease by terminating the patient.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:00am PT

so strange a rant, you yourself proclaim that science will make everything better, no need to worry...

which is it rick? your schizophrenia seems rather strongly tied to your desperate grasp on your current lifestyle, and fears of loosing it.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:08am PT

Yes, this strange voodoo science will eventually be relegated to the dust bin of history. Let's just hope those replacing it's practictioners have the betterment of life as a new guiding principle.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:11am PT

The Chief would proud of you, Sumner. That makes one. Together, you two can debunk all that sciency stuff.

The earth is f*#king flat!

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:18am PT

Ah yes, The Chief. I miss his prescense here. He was a tireless warrior pursuing the truth and he did it in a very humorous way.

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:21am PT

Yes, this strange voodoo science will eventually be relegated to the dust bin of history. Let's just hope those replacing it's practictioners have the betterment of life as a new guiding principle.

Yes, why rely on voodoo science when you can just skip the science and rely on the voodoo.

Trad climber

Calgary

Dec 23, 2016 - 11:49am PT

I might as well discus climate change with my dog

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 12:10pm PT

If you can't understand and tailor your responses to the thread title( Climate Change: Why aren't more people concerned about it?) may I suggest you are aiming a bit high on the evolutionary ladder in discussion with your dog.

Trad climber

Calgary

Dec 23, 2016 - 12:12pm PT

Climate Change: Why aren't more dogs concerned about it?

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Dec 23, 2016 - 12:13pm PT

^^^
Rick, everyone has been waiting for the same of you. Also, I believe his point was much better taken than the ones you've made.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 12:29pm PT

Fat Dad- Hundreds of billions of dollars of public funding has been lavished on scientists no better than witch doctors for a result "suggesting consistency with CAGW". Additionally trillions of dollars has been wasted on their sole allowed replacements- bird choppers,in flight deep fryers, and eco damaging carpets of solar PV- with the result of 2% replacement of the energy modern life is built on. Almost universally these scientists pigging out on the public trough denounce real replacement like next gen nuclear and natural gas. These same people are associated and dependent upon the deep greens who pronounce human population as unsustainable and call for reduction to the 500,000,000 level. What's not to get?

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 23, 2016 - 02:57pm PT

Dave, in Ca, the number for renewables is about 25%. It is hard to argue that the quality of life or the economy is suffering because of that difference, eh?

And it is worth remembering that about 20% of all the power used in the state is used to move water over mountains to SoCal. Elimination of that move is certainly "low hanging fruit" for reducing the amount of waste gas producing carbon consumption.

Personally, I think nuclear is the way to go, as I suspect the newer generation of power plants will have the safety margins that are really needed.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 23, 2016 - 03:43pm PT

Locker, no doubt. However, I think we've come a long way in terms of skepticism about safety of nuclear....such that proponents have a lot to prove, in being able to move forward.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Dec 23, 2016 - 04:11pm PT

Oh boy. Ken you do realize your electricity comes from a grid that doesn't recognize California's border and most importantly an electron doesn't discriminate from whence it came? The bulk of the power flowing through our national grids, 98% by some estimates, comes from sources that you consider as non renewables. Besides that, even your renewable sources are only renewable to the extant of supply of the non renewable sources used to mine it, process it, manufacture it, ship it, install it and maintain it.

Dream on in LA LA land.

On the flip side at least you support nuclear as the reality of viable replacement.

Trad climber

Calgary

Dec 23, 2016 - 05:23pm PT

Even James Hansen thinks nuclear is a good idea. I understand the modern reactors can have minimal waste. Just don't build them on a beach where the name tsunami was invented or on a major fault.
Natural gas consumption is expected to rise along with renewables as coal plants shut down. Coal in US and Canada is on its way out.
Does anyone have any knowledge to share on modern reactors?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Dec 23, 2016 - 05:28pm PT

Hundreds of billions of dollars of public funding has been lavished on scientists no better than witch doctors for a result "suggesting consistency with CAGW".

wrong

Additionally trillions of dollars has been wasted on their sole allowed replacements- bird choppers,in flight deep fryers, and eco damaging carpets of solar PV- with the result of 2% replacement of the energy modern life is built on.

wrong

Almost universally these scientists pigging out on the public trough denounce real replacement like next gen nuclear and natural gas.

wrong

These same people are associated and dependent upon the deep greens who pronounce human population as unsustainable and call for reduction to the 500,000,000 level.

wrong

What's not to get?

you tell me rick, most likely you're drinking deep from the climate denial well (probably nothing good in that draught for you).

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 23, 2016 - 09:48pm PT

Oh boy. Ken you do realize your electricity comes from a grid that doesn't recognize California's border and most importantly an electron doesn't discriminate from whence it came? The bulk of the power flowing through our national grids, 98% by some estimates, comes from sources that you consider as non renewables.

Besides that, even your renewable sources are only renewable to the extant of supply of the non renewable sources used to mine it, process it, manufacture it, ship it, install it and maintain it.

Your second point is certainly valid, although there is no comparison with the use of coal, for example, in terms of environmental damage, and production of greenhouse gases.

However, your first point is not quite reasonable. While what you state about the "statelessness" of electrons is true, it is not true that power cannot be traced as to source. For example, Los Angeles gets some of it's power from coal fired plants. How does it know that? It is part owner of those plants. However the plan for LA states:

"The plan recommended ending purchases of power from the coal-fired Navajo Generating Station by 2014, which is five years ahead of the deadline established by California state law. The plan recommends ending use of power from the coal-fired Intermountain Power Station by 2020"

Los Angeles, the nation’s second-most populous metropolitan area after New York, has cut greenhouse-gas emissions by more than 28 percent from 1990 levels, which it says is more than any other major U.S. city.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-03-19/los-angeles-halts-using-electricity-from-coal-plants