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ecdh
climber
the east
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May 20, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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Its a networking exercise. 2 months playing connect four with other folks with cash to burn is good for pr. I have friends that do this.
Not for me. A lot of bullshit for not much climbing. Nothing new going on.
Kinda my idea of hell.
But then others hate what i do.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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May 20, 2016 - 04:10pm PT
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Jan-
As you know, I climb more for the aesthetic experience than for some numeric tick on a bucket list. My interest in Everest has never been very great, and is even less so now. Ditto the Nose. I don't care to join a conga line either on a schitt covered peak or on schitt smelling bivouac ledge of vertical rock.
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WBraun
climber
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May 20, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
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Why Climb Everest ?
Why knott. If you can do it then why knott.
I was offered to go in the 80's and get paid to boot.
But I declined only because I'm a pussy in cold weather and believed I'll just be a hindrance to the team.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 20, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
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"Bhagirathi III, in the Garwhal Himalaya."
Holy cripes, that's an unearthly looking beast.
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cotuclimber
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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May 20, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
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It is a mountain. The highest one!
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ecdh
climber
the east
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May 20, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
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Why knott..?
For exactly the same reasons you define but using brown people and $$$$ to square them rather than rise to it personally.
Sometimes ya gotta sit sh#t out if you cant play on yer own integrity. With $50k and 2 months theres more interesting goals that need the sweat of others less.
But suppose theres worse too. $50k of coke n gasoline n ammo wouldnt go as far - apparently.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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May 20, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
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I don't make this stuff up, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Earthwise, the lowest known point is Challenger Deep, at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, 11,034 m (36,201 feet) below sea level. Only three humans are known to have reached the bottom of the trench: Jacques Piccard and US Navy Lieutenant Don Walsh in 1960 aboard the bathyscaphe Trieste, and filmmaker James Cameron in 2012 aboard Deepsea Challenger. A fourth, Jim Donini, is rumoured to have done it, but is too shy to come forward.
So who is the only person, other than Donini, to have a shot at doing the circuit, Challenger Deep to Top O' Mt Everest in one season?
It might be interesting to compare the group who aspires to the top of the of the mountain to the group which covets the lowest point in the valley, eh?
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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May 20, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
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Kangschung face Mt Everest
Reality ridge looks melted out
From this recent photo
Probably will never be climbed!
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ecdh
climber
the east
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May 20, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
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zBrown; very interesting contribution.
lowest point to highest point (above sea level) seems to have had various iterations of the years, and Mcartney-snapes sea to summit trip was a spike of interest (as was white limbo).
personally ive floated a 2nd lowest to 2nd highest trip for a few years, but its gnarly stuff and may scrape in as a 'last great blah blah' objective.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 22, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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I think that Tami said it in a nutshell....a comparison with El Cap climbs doesn't hold water. Sure....some people jumar up El Cap behind a guide to get the tick on their bucket list but the vast majority CLIMB El Cap routes using the skills they have developed over countless previous climbs with little to gain except the reward of a job well done.
Tami laments that mountaineering has become a peak bagging, tick list exercise for those with time and money. True, but then there is alpinisim.....an exercise in bringing a finely honed skill set to play on difficult mountain terrain sans guides, sherpas or fixed ropes.
For me the continuing value of Everest is the money it brings to a stalwart people living in one of the poorest nations on Earth.....trickle down economy in a microcosim.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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May 22, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
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because it's still there...
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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May 22, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
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If you need to ask the question, there are no answers that would even begin to make sense.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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May 22, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
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Because it's not here.
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PhilG
Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
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May 22, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
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Jan:
I Think I understand the question.
That's why I chose this path:
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
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One thing to add is that a person can climb Everest without the crowds but you would have to do it in the post monsoon autumn season when cold becomes a problem. There have been some ascents then but the chances of success are less.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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May 22, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
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Good point. But any sport reduced to its numbers rather than its skill (which makes it really then a game) wont follow that.
Reduced chances of summiting enters a different scenario that ends up including a new route.
And if enough people did that the issues if congestion would only concress there as well.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 22, 2016 - 07:31pm PT
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If you're using sherpas, fixed ropes and O2 you're a high altitude tourist, not a climber.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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May 22, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
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Lots of climbers have had there
Best days on Everest !
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 22, 2016 - 07:47pm PT
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A prancing group photo....whoa!
I believe that in most cases "ascending" Everest is a more appropriate term than "climbing" Everest.
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