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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 3, 2016 - 05:45am PT
Where's Ron when you need him?

We want info, man!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 05:52am PT
Since the US Attorney's office felt it was appropriate to try the Hammond's under the Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act for a prescribed burn that overlapped onto 139 acres of public land scrub brush; maybe they will try the Bundy's under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act since they took over a waterfowl refuge headquarters.

Forget about the Bundy idiots. If you look into the Hammond case and find that it is anything other than Feds trying to push people off their land then I can only assume you believed that WACO was full of child molesters too.
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:05am PT
It seems that many of us here have no problem with expanding the size of our federal government's footprint.

Check out this link:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

Keep in mind that this is the same government agency that raided the Gibson guitar factory in Tennessee with its version of Seal Team Six.

You may not want to share a pew with the Bundy's at their church - but at least they won't kill you for apostasy.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:07am PT
A refresher on the Hammond convictions.

It was Arson for burning federal land, not their own, and they handed out printed match books that they would do it as a protest.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:18am PT
Lorenzo,

I gather you would have been comfortable rubbing Janet Reno's feet while she drove the tank into the nursery area at Waco then?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:21am PT
The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
Article 4, sec.3&4 United States constitution.

Pesky constitution right wingers are alway quoting.

The most right wing court in history refused to even hear an appeal.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:25am PT
She likes it when you go easy on the bunions.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:27am PT
Oh goodie, somebody came to stand in for Ron and Rokjox.
Dude, you're right there in Idaho, shouldn't you be packing your toothbrush and heading on over to the front?
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:35am PT
We went over and shot some geese just off the Malhuer refuge yesterday. On some other private land that .gov has been eyeballing for quite a while as well. Looking back I'm surprised how we didn't get arrested under the terrorist act also.

I don't care to shoot sky carp too much but I thought I would check out the scene. Most of Burns would just as soon see the Bundy's go home, but then again they know the government has been going after the Hammond ranch since before the BLM had pastel patches so they don't get the big deal.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:40am PT
The only part of the constitution this POS's give a sh#t about is the second amendment. the rest is toilet paper.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:42am PT
We went over and shot some geese just off the Malhuer refuge yesterday. On some other private land that .gov has been eyeballing for quite a while as well. Looking back I'm surprised how we didn't get arrested under the terrorist act also.

If they were dusky Canada geese you deserve a cell next to the one reserved for the arsonists.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:50am PT
Actually, the Dusky Geese have a more bitter taste that my wife finds pleasing.

The hard part is disabling the radio collars so we lay off of them now.



Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:55am PT
Back to the Hammond case, since Lorenzo obviously doesn't own a map, the Feds have been after their ranch for decades to annex the wildlife refuge. A quick review into the history tells you all you need to know.

Unfortunately, the message of .gov overbearance is carried by idiots with the last name of Bundy.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 3, 2016 - 06:58am PT
And a quick review of Bundy's and their militia sub men tells us all we need to know.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:12am PT
I'm guessing they have a tunnel connected to Walmart that was left over from Jade Helm 15. They could have a lifetime supply of Slim Jim's.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:23am PT
As others have said, the problem here is government overreach, with a capitol O, plus double standard.

How many prescribed burns by USFS and BLM have gotten out of control, on public land?

Have any fire fighters or land managers been charged or gone to jail, much less on terrorism charges?

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:28am PT
I think it's worthwhile to copy & paste to this thread the link Lorenzo shows. Note: The convection was for arson on Federal lands. http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison


Department of Justice

U.S. Attorney’s Office

District of Oregon

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Wednesday, October 7, 2015

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.” The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.” In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

“We all know the devastating effects that are caused by wildfires. Fires intentionally and illegally set on public lands, even those in a remote area, threaten property and residents and endanger firefighters called to battle the blaze” stated Acting U.S. Attorney Billy Williams.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison. These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

Assistant U.S. Attorneys Frank R Papagni, Jr., AnneMarie Sgarlata and Kelly Zusman handled the prosecution of this case.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:40am PT
How many prescribed burns by USFS and BLM have gotten out of control, on public land?

The second "prescribed burn" was started during a burn ban, which is was started the court proceedings in the first place. They endanger firefighters.

I thought conservatives were against anarchy, or is that only when it is done by the left and people they don't like?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:54am PT
The detail that's missing from the accounts above (or at least I didn't see in skimming)

They set the fire to cover up a crime of illegally harvesting deer without tags or license. Set a fire to cover a crime, and that's arson. They set the fire to cover up the evidence, and were convicted. The crime carried a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years. Judge sentenced to less than 2 yrs, prosecuters appealed, and the appropriate sentence was applied.

Their own relative flipped and testified against them.

There is nothing controversial in what happened to these assclowns whatsoever. If you disagree with mandatory minimums (and I do, personally), fine. But that gets addressed through the legislative process, and clemency/pardons. Not through right wing nut job, Timothy McVeigh style domestic terrorism.

WBraun

climber
Jan 3, 2016 - 07:55am PT
Armed finger waging lip service do nothing stooportopo crackpots sounding off on their board again ....
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